Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?

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Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:47 am

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Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?

Postby Viscid » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:15 pm

Why do people (particularly the Mahayana) identify the world as illusory to begin with? What are they experiencing, or what insight are they having? If they're in error, why do they make this error?
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Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?

Postby DAWN » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:57 pm

Buddha said that all phenomenas are conditioned.
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Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?

Postby SarathW » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:38 am

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Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?

Postby vinasp » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:17 am

Hi SarathW,

This passage may be of interest:

"That end of the world wherein one is not born, does not grow old or die, pass away or reappear, that I declare, is impossible to be known, seen or reached by travelling. But, friend, I do not declare that one can make an end of suffering without reaching the end of the world. Friend, I do proclaim that in this very fathom-long body, with its perceptions and consciousness, is the world, the world's arising, the world's cessation and the path leading to the world's cessation." A.N. II.48 Rohitassa (pali text) translated by Nanananda in Concept and Reality page 83.

AN 4.45 Link:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?

Postby hermitwin » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:19 am

it is all a matter of perspective.
is a man real or illusion?
if you see a man as nothing more than a collection sub-atomic particles.
then which is the illusion and which the reality???

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Sabbe dhamma anatta
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Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?

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"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?

Postby Parth » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:18 pm

Dear all,

Suffering is a truth which Buddha called an Arya Satya, one of the realisations without realising which no one can hope to even become a sotapanna.

Instead of this debate would request all to practise Vipassana where you would realise what is meant by illusory.

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