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Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:39 am
by SarathW
Can someone tell me what exactly Buddha said about illusion. Did he say that world (five aggregate) is an illusion (Maya)?
I am reading a book called The Buddha’s Ancient Path by Ven Piyadassi Thero. page 56 it says:
In regard to Kassapa’s question Buddha said “Surely, Kassapa, suffering is not non-existent. Suffering is”
Does it mean that suffering is not an illusion?
If world is an illusion why Buddha asked us to practice Metta?
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:56 am
by daverupa
SN 22.95 wrote:Form is like a glob of foam; feeling, a bubble; perception, a mirage; fabrications, a banana tree; consciousness, a magic trick — this has been taught by the Kinsman of the Sun. However you observe them, appropriately examine them, they're empty, void to whoever sees them appropriately.
Suffering does exist; the world is not an illusion, but it is empty.
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:04 pm
by tiltbillings
daverupa wrote: but it is empty.
Of what?
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:09 pm
by daverupa
tiltbillings wrote:daverupa wrote: but it is empty.
Of what?
Of a self or that which belongs to a self.
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:54 pm
by m0rl0ck
Then who / what suffers?
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:59 pm
by tiltbillings
m0rl0ck wrote:Then who / what suffers?
You do.
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:25 pm
by m0rl0ck
tiltbillings wrote:m0rl0ck wrote:Then who / what suffers?
You do.
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:19 pm
by daverupa
Just suffering arises, just suffering ceases.
SN 12.15 wrote:"By & large, Kaccayana, this world is in bondage to attachments, clingings (sustenances), & biases. But one such as this does not get involved with or cling to these attachments, clingings, fixations of awareness, biases, or obsessions; nor is he resolved on 'my self.' He has no uncertainty or doubt that just stress, when arising, is arising; stress, when passing away, is passing away. In this, his knowledge is independent of others. It's to this extent, Kaccayana, that there is right view.
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:23 pm
by tiltbillings
daverupa wrote:Just suffering arises, just suffering ceases.
With such insight, such would be your knowledge; you will no longer have dukkha.
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:28 pm
by Viscid
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:39 pm
by tiltbillings
Viscid wrote:
And you are eating popcorn.
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:41 pm
by daverupa
tiltbillings wrote:Viscid wrote:
And you are eating popcorn.
Empty calories...
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:44 pm
by tiltbillings
daverupa wrote:tiltbillings wrote:Viscid wrote:
And you are eating popcorn.
Empty calories...
All the better to become more expansive.
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:38 pm
by Viscid
tiltbillings wrote:daverupa wrote:tiltbillings wrote:And you are eating popcorn.
Empty calories...
All the better to become more expansive.
Expansiveness is suffering.
Re: Did Buddha say “The world is but an illusion?
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:52 am
by SarathW
daverupa wrote:SN 22.95 wrote:Form is like a glob of foam; feeling, a bubble; perception, a mirage; fabrications, a banana tree; consciousness, a magic trick — this has been taught by the Kinsman of the Sun. However you observe them, appropriately examine them, they're empty, void to whoever sees them appropriately.
Suffering does exist; the world is not an illusion, but it is empty.
Hi Daverupa
Thanks for the link. The pali word "Maya" means magic trick. However it is translate to english as illusion. The world mean the five aggregate in Buddhism. So Buddha said consiousness is an illusion!
Hence world should be an illusion too!
Dukkha (Suffering) also refered to five aggregate. So Dukkha cant be real!