That space is not,but Nibbana is, What this means?

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That space is not,but Nibbana is, What this means?

Postby SarathW » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:08 am

I am reading this book:

http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddh ... gsurw6.pdf


Page 389
If Nibbāna is nothingness, then it necessarily must coincide
with space (Ākāsa). Both space and Nibbāna are eternal
and unchanging. The former is eternal because it is nothing
in itself. The latter is spaceless and timeless. With regard to
the difference between space and Nibbāna, it may briefly be
said that space is not, but Nibbāna is.

Page 390
The Nibbāna of Buddhists is, therefore, neither a state of nothingness
nor a mere cessation. What it is not, one can definitely
say. What precisely it is, one cannot adequately express in conventional
terms as it is unique. It is for self-realization (paccattam
veditabbo).

Can you explain this in some other way? Does it mean that there is something called Nibbana?
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Re: That space is not,but Nibbana is, What this means?

Postby pegembara » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:46 am

Space is Nothing. But nibbana or emptiness is not nothingness but the realisation that time, space and objects are no-things ie. anatta. This is the point between existence and non-existence. Things neither exist nor don't exist but are empty or insubstantial. Their nature is to arise and pass away ie. anicca.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
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Re: That space is not,but Nibbana is, What this means?

Postby ground » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:35 am

A common misconception is to equate the term "nothing" with "nothingness". The reason for this is the working of consciousness which is determination of what is indeterminate as this or that.
"nothing" means just that there is not anything, the absence of all that might be something. So both nibbana and space can be said to be nothing, since there is absense of everything, But this absence of everything is not replaced by nothingness, since there is just nothing, not even nothingness.
Space may be said to be nothing in that there is no presence of tangible objects at all.
Nibbana may be said to be nothing in that there is not the slightest perception of anything as this or that, in that arising of consciousnesses has ceased.

From ignorance as a requisite condition come fabrications. From fabrications as a requisite condition comes consciousness. ... Such is the origination of this entire mass of stress & suffering.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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