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Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:16 pm**

Are there sutta quotes where Buddha promotes harmony and tolerance with other faiths and beliefs even though they are rejected in Buddhism? If so please post them.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:18 pm**

K. N. Jayatilleke "Buddhist Attitude To Other Religions"

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:33 pm**

Can you post quotes directly please with the sutta name? Sorry but I am a lazy reader

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:40 pm**

Yeah, tilt. Get it together.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:44 pm**

Right now I am looking for quotes along the lines of "Monks, maintain harmony and tolerance towards other faiths even though you disagree with them".

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:00 pm**

Not exactly what you are looking for, but in one passage a lay man named Upali comes to the Buddha asking to join the Dhamma (Buddhism). The Buddha states:

“Make a proper investigation first. Proper investigation is good for a well-known person like yourself. [Upali responds]:

“Now I am even more pleased and satisfied when the Buddha says to me: 'Make a proper investigation first.' For if members of another religion had secured me as a disciple they would have paraded a banner all around the town saying: 'Upali has joined our religion.' But the Buddha says to me: Make a proper investigation first. Proper investigation is good for a well-known person like yourself”." (Majjhima Nikaya 2.379)

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:49 pm**

Cassandra wrote:Can you post quotes directly please with the sutta name? Sorry but I am a lazy reader

No. You have an excellent resource I linked above. Why would you expect a complete stranger to do the work for you if you are not willing to do any work? If you are lazy, time to get over it.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:05 pm**

tiltbillings wrote:
Cassandra wrote:Can you post quotes directly please with the sutta name? Sorry but I am a lazy reader
No. You have an excellent resource I linked above. Why would you expect a complete stranger to do the work for you if you are not willing to do any work? If you are lazy, time to get over it.

Well said, Tilt.

Posted: **Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:04 am**

tiltbillings wrote:
Cassandra wrote:Can you post quotes directly please with the sutta name? Sorry but I am a lazy reader
No. You have an excellent resource I linked above. Why would you expect a complete stranger to do the work for you if you are not willing to do any work? If you are lazy, time to get over it.

Ben wrote: Well said, Tilt.

Sheesh, why do you let the laziness of a complete stranger offend you? I was looking for quotes for an urgent school assignment and I really didn't have the time to hunt for quotes in a lengthy article. I was looking for straightforward quotes with sutta names. But I have kept your article aside for later reading.

Perhaps 'lazy' wasn't the best choice of words but I wasn't expecting anyone to take offense at a mere forum comment especially considering that you two are senior moderators/admins in a prestigious Buddhist forum. Anyway, my apologies if it helps.

Posted: **Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:08 am**

David N. Snyder wrote:Not exactly what you are looking for, but in one passage a lay man named Upali comes to the Buddha asking to join the Dhamma (Buddhism). The Buddha states:

“Make a proper investigation first. Proper investigation is good for a well-known person like yourself. [Upali responds]:

“Now I am even more pleased and satisfied when the Buddha says to me: 'Make a proper investigation first.' For if members of another religion had secured me as a disciple they would have paraded a banner all around the town saying: 'Upali has joined our religion.' But the Buddha says to me: Make a proper investigation first. Proper investigation is good for a well-known person like yourself”." (Majjhima Nikaya 2.379)

Thanks David. Guess there are not many quotes similar to what I need. I have searched but couldn't find a lot either. This is for an assignment which addresses disputes in beliefs and practices such as vegetarianism.

Posted: **Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:20 am**

Cassandra wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:
Cassandra wrote:Can you post quotes directly please with the sutta name? Sorry but I am a lazy reader
No. You have an excellent resource I linked above. Why would you expect a complete stranger to do the work for you if you are not willing to do any work? If you are lazy, time to get over it.

Ben wrote: Well said, Tilt.
Sheesh, why do you let the laziness of a complete stranger offend you? I was looking for quotes for an urgent school assignment and I really didn't have the time to hunt for quotes in a lengthy article. I was looking for straightforward quotes with sutta names. But I have kept your article aside for later reading.

Perhaps 'lazy' wasn't the best choice of words but I wasn't expecting anyone to take offense at a mere forum comment especially considering that you two are senior moderators/admins in a prestigious Buddhist forum. Anyway, my apologies if it helps.

Not at all offended, but not too terribly interested in doing school work for someone who waits till the last minute, wanting others bail her butt of a jam and is too lazy to do the heavy lifting that is required. Good luck with your assignment and with learning to take responsibility for what is required of you to do.

Posted: **Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:56 am**

Cassandra wrote:Sheesh, why do you let the laziness of a complete stranger offend you? I was looking for quotes for an urgent school assignment and I really didn't have the time to hunt for quotes in a lengthy article. I was looking for straightforward quotes with sutta names. But I have kept your article aside for later reading.

Perhaps 'lazy' wasn't the best choice of words but I wasn't expecting anyone to take offense at a mere forum comment especially considering that you two are senior moderators/admins in a prestigious Buddhist forum. Anyway, my apologies if it helps.

No offence taken. We get plent of people just like you who join merely complete a school assignment. Let me be clear, this forum is for the benefit of those who are practicing Theravadins and those who have a genuine interest in the Theravada. Our membership is not here to do your homework research for you.
kind regards,

Ben

Posted: **Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:13 pm**

Cassandra wrote:Can you post quotes directly please with the sutta name? Sorry but I am a lazy reader

Sorry to get involved, Cassandra, but when I read the above quote I thought you sounded obnoxious and impatient despite your use of 'please' and 'sorry'. Just the way it came off. There are better ways to ask for help especially when you are asking people to take the time to do research for you. It's not like people have things memorized waiting for people to ask questions.

Tilt can be very blunt sometimes, but I understand where he was coming from on this one.

Posted: **Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:31 pm**

Perhaps the reason why we don't hear any explicit message in the Canon about religious harmony is because the Buddha didn't really care about the superficial label of this or that religion. Instead he cared about the truths that penetrate all religions: morality, purification of the mind, and wisdom. For example, when a group of Brahmins argued about how to to be in harmony with God, He didn't waste time discussing metaphysical concepts about whether God exists or not. Instead, he went straight to the core of the issue: morality and purification of mind:

“Then you say, too, Va̅seṭṭha, that the Brahmins bear anger and malice in their hearts, and are tarnished in heart and lack self control, while Brahma̅ is free from anger and malice, is pure in heart, and has self-mastery. Now can there then be agreement and likeness between the Brahmins and Brahma̅?'

'Certainly not, Gotama!'

'Very good, Va̅seṭṭha. That these Brahmins versed in the Vedas and yet having anger and malice in their hearts, sinful, and uncontrolled, should after death, at the break up of the body, become united with Brahma̅, who is free from anger and malice, pure in heart, and has self-mastery -- such a thing is impossible!”
(Tevijja Sutta, Dīgha Nikāya, http://www.leighb.com/dn13.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )

Another good example about the Buddha's emphasis on the "core" and not the "skin" of religion is the Kalama sutta:

“Of course you are uncertain, Kalamas. Of course you are in doubt. When there are reasons for doubt, uncertainty is born. So in this case, Kalamas, don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, 'This contemplative is our teacher.' When you know for yourselves that, 'These qualities are unskillful; these qualities are blameworthy; these qualities are criticized by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to harm & to suffering' — then you should abandon them.
(Kalama Sutta, Anguttara Nikaya, http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )

Posted: **Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:40 pm**

Good point there santa. Thanks. Another reason for lack of such quotes maybe that, in the old days they did not have as many disputes and wars between religions as we do now. It seems that most brahmins and other recluses with different beliefs criticized and disagreed in constructive ways. Maybe there were no pressing concerns to make such statements.

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