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Other senses besides the 6 senses

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Other senses besides the 6 senses

Postby Jechbi » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:11 am

A question regarding the twelve ayatanas: I get that there are the eye, ear, nose, tongue, body and mind; as well as their corresponding objects of visible form, sound, smell, taste, touch and mental objects. But what about senses that don't clearly fall into any of these categories, such as equilibrioception?

The sense of equilibrioception seems to depend largely on the ear, but I don't think it could be regarded as a sound object. But it also seems to depend on sight and brain functioning, but it doesn't seem to be clearly a visible ayatana or a purely mental object, either.

And how about the radar perception of a being such as a bat? These animals appear to create an entire visual-like impression based on interpretation of touch objects and sound. Or bees, which seem to communicate with pheromones (people perceive pheromones too), but it hardly seems like a purely smell object. In these cases, the distinction between "touch" and "sound" and "visible form" seems to become blurred.

And I can imagine the possibility of a being who has sense perceptions with which human beings are not familiar. I'm wondering, would all such senses be understood as having their base solely in the 12 ayatanas? And if that is so, could there be more to the ayatanas than what we, in our human form, are able to perceive and understand?

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Re: Other senses besides the 6 senses

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Re: Other senses besides the 6 senses

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Re: Other senses besides the 6 senses

Postby rowyourboat » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:45 am

I think many things are included under 'mind'
verbalization, visualization, computation, memory, recognition- so many very different things. I think balance comes under this as well, it clearly doesnt fall under the others
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Re: Other senses besides the 6 senses

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Re: Other senses besides the 6 senses

Postby karuna_murti » Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:25 pm

Long time ago scientist have stopped dividing senses into five senses. Temperature, direction, balance, and so on.
People even making gadget to "enhance" that extra senses. For example a belt that vibrate according to a goal that has been set. Just like a compass. But that thing is awkward, buzzing sound coming from your crotch.

I can see why senses only divide into five + mind. If one meditate and noting hot, cold, soft touch, sharp touch, pain, I can imagine it only makes mind wandering.

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Re: Other senses besides the 6 senses

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Re: Other senses besides the 6 senses

Postby rowyourboat » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:50 pm

the 'sense' of balance is a sense- not a sound
so even though it might be physcially located in the ear, that has nothing to do with experiential buddhism (in which the experience of something takes precedence over everything else)

how does one decide if something is mind or matter- nama or rupa?
if something is made up of the 4 elements (fire, wind, earth, water) then it is physical
clearly the sense of balance is a mental component
it would come under mano (mind) ayatana
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Re: Other senses besides the 6 senses

Postby rowyourboat » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:59 am

this is not making us any wiser and probably give rise to some defilements down the line- including attachment to 'my' view! So peace :namaste:
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