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Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:22 am
by cooran
Hello all,

I found this article in Tricycle surprising and interesting:

Whose Buddhism is the truest?

http://www.tricycle.com/feature/whose-buddhism-truest

With metta
Chris

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:28 am
by Kim OHara
Hi, Chris,
A good article, but I have seen it via DW before ... haven't got time just now to look for the older thread, however.

:namaste:
Kim

P.S. see also http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 61#p243767
:coffee:
Kim

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:29 am
by tiltbillings
cooran wrote:Hello all,

I found this article in Tricycle surprising and interesting:

Whose Buddhism is the truest?

http://www.tricycle.com/feature/whose-buddhism-truest

With metta
Chris
This has already been looked at. I'll see if I can find the thread.

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:45 am
by Nyana
It was discussed in this thread: Mahayana split.

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:45 am
by retrofuturist
Greetings,

"Harrison agrees with the general scholarly consensus that the Mahayana developed after the Buddha"

That's all I needed to know ~ thanks.

:buddha1:

Metta,
Retro. :)

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:55 am
by plwk
I can't help but to think that IF the Mahasamghikas and Sarvastivadins were still around, they would have given Theravada a run for the money... lol

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 5:59 am
by tiltbillings
Ñāṇa wrote:It was discussed in this thread: Mahayana split.
Thanks for finding it.

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:45 am
by Kare
plwk wrote:I can't help but to think that IF the Mahasamghikas and Sarvastivadins were still around, they would have given Theravada a run for the money... lol
Not to mention the Sammitiyas (Puggalavadins).

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:53 am
by tiltbillings
I am all for the school that thought the Buddha's poop smelled like sandalwood.

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 11:16 am
by daverupa
tiltbillings wrote:I am all for the school that thought the Buddha's poop smelled like sandalwood.
Image

Reminds me of the Catholic Eucharist, for some reason...

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 12:09 pm
by Rasko
Traces of Gandhāran Buddhism: An Exhibition of Buddhist Manuscripts in the Schøyen Collection
Jens Braarvig and Fredrik Liland
With contributions by: Jens-Uwe Hartmann, Kazunobu Matsuda, Richard Salomon, Lore Sander
2010
http://www.indologie.uni-muenchen.de/do ... alogue.pdf

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 1:57 pm
by alan
I no longer waste time with that Tricycle, which seems to have ulterior motives.

This article is a good example of what they often present as research. Lots of words which sound impressive, a few true facts intermingled with an assumed conclusion. Nothing was proven, but the feel of authenticity lingers. As usual, we are lead to believe Buddhism is just a free-floating thing that no one can really get. Or maybe we all can, just tune in next month. Besides, who wants to waste time actually studying?

Oh, and buy our magazine.

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 6:11 pm
by binocular
Whose Buddhism is truest?


"Monks, do not wage wordy warfare, saying: 'You don't understand this Dhamma and discipline, I understand this Dhamma and discipline'; 'How could you understand it? You have fallen into wrong practices: I have the right practice'; 'You have said afterwards what you should have said first, and you have said first what you should have said afterwards';[1] 'What I say is consistent, what you say isn't'; 'What you have thought out for so long is entirely reversed'; 'Your statement is refuted'; 'You are talking rubbish!'; 'You are in the wrong'; 'Get out of that if you can!'

"Why should you not do this? Such talk, monks, is not related to the goal, it is not fundamental to the holy life, does not conduce to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation, tranquillity, higher knowledge, enlightenment or to Nibbana. When you have discussions, monks, you should discuss Suffering, the Arising of Suffering, its Cessation, and the Path that leads to its Cessation. Why is that? Because such talk is related to the goal... it conduces to disenchantment... to Nibbana. This is the task you must accomplish."


SN 56.9

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:21 pm
by Polar Bear
Whatever buddhism when adopted and undertaken leads to the total abandoning of passion, aversion, and delusion is the truest.

:anjali:

Re: Whose Buddhism is the truest?

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 11:15 pm
by manas
binocular wrote:Whose Buddhism is truest?


"Monks, do not wage wordy warfare, saying: 'You don't understand this Dhamma and discipline, I understand this Dhamma and discipline'; 'How could you understand it? You have fallen into wrong practices: I have the right practice'; 'You have said afterwards what you should have said first, and you have said first what you should have said afterwards';[1] 'What I say is consistent, what you say isn't'; 'What you have thought out for so long is entirely reversed'; 'Your statement is refuted'; 'You are talking rubbish!'; 'You are in the wrong'; 'Get out of that if you can!'

"Why should you not do this? Such talk, monks, is not related to the goal, it is not fundamental to the holy life, does not conduce to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation, tranquillity, higher knowledge, enlightenment or to Nibbana. When you have discussions, monks, you should discuss Suffering, the Arising of Suffering, its Cessation, and the Path that leads to its Cessation. Why is that? Because such talk is related to the goal... it conduces to disenchantment... to Nibbana. This is the task you must accomplish."


SN 56.9
:goodpost:

good.point,binocular.
but.not.easy.to.always.practice
although.we.ought.to

metta
:anjali: