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Looking for conversation on arousing energy

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Looking for conversation on arousing energy

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Re: Looking for conversation on arousing energy

Postby Ben » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:55 am

Dhammapal,

Instead of just talking about it, how about just doing it?
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Looking for conversation on arousing energy

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:23 pm

Hi Dhammapal,

Perhaps the discussion here is helpful: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=14382

There are several alternative translations in this post: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=14382#p211169

And some comparison with parallels in Chinese: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=14382#p210753

:anjali:
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Re: Looking for conversation on arousing energy

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:47 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Postby Zenainder » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:51 pm

In "Beyond Mindfulness in Plain English" it states that applied thought (striking the meditation object) helps overcome the hindrance of sloth and stupor. Essentially that means, IMHO, continuously returning to the breath (as an example) after applying mindfulness both of the sloth and miscellaneous phenomenon energy will naturally arise. It's your relationship with laziness that causes the common reaction of lethargy and inaction. Overcoming it comes with an energy that will really empower your practice. It's like the other hindrances in the end and you are fully capable of overcoming it.

Metta,

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Postby Cormac Brown » Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:18 pm

“I in the present who am a worthy one, rightly self-awakened, am a
teacher of action, a teacher of activity, a teacher of persistence. But the
worthless man Makkhali contradicts even me, (saying,) ‘There is no
action. There is no activity. There is no persistence.’ "
AN 3.138, trans. Ven. Thanissaro

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Re: Looking for conversation on arousing energy

Postby JohnK » Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:27 am

I'm one of these guys who gives it ALL on retreat -- sit early, sit late, don't move, immediately to walking meditation, keep walking until bell. However, my daily practice was weak. There were always way more enjoyable things I could be doing, so I wouldn't sit or I would stop (did not set a timer of any kind). And there was no temporary, external structure that I would give myself over to.
So why were other things so much more enjoyable? I believe because I had aversion to the practice, aversion to the hindrances, identifying with the hindrances, aversion to me, feeling like a failure -- heck, it is way more pleasant to do things that do not result in continuous failure!
Because, at some point I really committed (a different story), I began to sit regularly enough that I almost had to learn to let go of identification (hindrances are "just hindrances," not "me") and aversion -- just too much suffering. I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that if aversion is what is holding one back, doing it anyway may help reduce the aversion -- and for me, Metta practice has really helped with that. As I alluded to, what gets one to the point of committing certainly varies; perhaps hearing that the aversion can diminish can be an influence.
"Why is it, Master Kaccana, that ascetics fight with ascetics?"
"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics" (AN 2: iv, 6, abridged).
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Re: Looking for conversation on arousing energy

Postby Cormac Brown » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:26 pm

“I in the present who am a worthy one, rightly self-awakened, am a
teacher of action, a teacher of activity, a teacher of persistence. But the
worthless man Makkhali contradicts even me, (saying,) ‘There is no
action. There is no activity. There is no persistence.’ "
AN 3.138, trans. Ven. Thanissaro


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