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Theravadin Cosmology

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Theravadin Cosmology

Postby Sher » Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:39 pm

Hello Everyone:
Is there any foundation in Theravadin Cosmology for Pure Lands (something like Pure Lands--I use the term just to give an example)? I understand there are thirty-one realms of existence that one can be reborn into according to the Pali sources. And it is possible to be reborn in a heavenly realm where god and devas exist, but are there any realms identified in Theravadin tradition where Buddha (s) exist? I ask, because I am reading Khantipalo's _Banner of the Arahants_, and this book traces the history of the early Sangha and the many early students who quickly became arahants by just hearing Buddha's discourses; it is evident to me that just by being in the presence of a Buddha one has a much better opportunity to become enlightened.

In Theravadin tradition do Buddhas exist in any other realm, and are they available to help beyond this earthly existence? Or do all Buddhas "go beyond" and are unavailable according to the Theravadin tradition? Sher

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Re: Theravadin Cosmology

Postby David N. Snyder » Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:51 pm

Arahants are gone beyond. But with 31 planes of existence, I imagine some might be somewhat similar to the Pure Land the Mahyana describes (without buddhas, though).

Metteyya is in the Tusita heaven and I imagine being reborn there to hear him talk and teach would be of great benefit.
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Re: Theravadin Cosmology

Postby Ben » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:20 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Theravadin Cosmology

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Re: Theravadin Cosmology

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:23 am

Hi Sher
Yes, it didn't happen by 'accident' or by some kind of divine or mystical intervention.
All hard work, this path is!

BTW, I highly recommend Great Disciples of the Buddha, if you can get a hold of a copy.
Metta

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Theravadin Cosmology

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"Once you understand anatta, then the burden of life is gone. You’ll be at peace with the world. When we see beyond self, we no longer cling to happiness and we can truly be happy."

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Re: Theravadin Cosmology

Postby Dhammabodhi » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:36 pm

Hi Sher,

The following link might be useful for understanding Theravadin cosmology:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dham ... /loka.html

Hope it helps,
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Re: Theravadin Cosmology

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The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Theravadin Cosmology

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Re: Theravadin Cosmology

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Good luck and Bon Voyage! :alien:
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Re: Theravadin Cosmology

Postby Sylvester » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:38 pm

Hi Ben

I believe the standard account of the Buddha's dispensation of the Abhidhamma places the venue at Tavatimsa heaven. Not sure if the Abhidhamma itself states this but it's in the Commentary to the Dhammapada verse 181 (Devorohana Vatthu). By that time, His "mother" was reborn as a male deva Matu Devaputta.

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