Is Mara an actual entity?

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Is Mara an actual entity?

Postby manas » Thu Jan 02, 2014 1:53 am

Is Mara an actual entity, or just a personification of the force of delusion that has clouded our minds since time immemorial, and thus has acquired a kind of momentum and energy of it's own, and wishes to preserve it's own 'life', as it were? Or both? If the first, why would any Deva want to hinder folks from getting free from the sensual realm, or free of Samsara altogether? What's in it for them?

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Re: Is Mara an actual entity?

Postby santa100 » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:35 am

Various definitions of Mara from a similar thread.. http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4644
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Re: Is Mara an actual entity?

Postby chownah » Thu Jan 02, 2014 2:56 am

Aren't all entities just a personification of the force of delusion?
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Re: Is Mara an actual entity?

Postby Mkoll » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:36 am

chownah wrote:Aren't all entities just a personification of the force of delusion?
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Dear chownah,

That was very insightful. Thanks.

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Re: Is Mara an actual entity?

Postby manas » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:59 am

chownah wrote:Aren't all entities just a personification of the force of delusion?
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I'm not sure what you mean by that, chownah. It is true that we carry around these bodies, manifestations of old kamma, due to having been deluded (to varying degrees) in the past. But to say that all entities are a personification of delusion, that's taking it a bit too far and / or not in the way I meant it. The Buddha was an entity too, remember. As are arahants, anagamis, once-returners, stream-enterers...

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Re: Is Mara an actual entity?

Postby Pondera » Thu Jan 02, 2014 7:03 am

This sutta might answer your question

http://www.vipassana.info/025-nivapa-sutta-e1.htm

"This is a comparison to explain the meaning, this is its meaning. Fodder is a synonym for the five strands of sensual pleasures. The deer feeder is a synonym for Maara the evil one. The Followers of the deer feeder is a synonym for Maara’s following. Wild animals is a synonym for recluses and brahmins."

Makes Mara sound pretty literal.
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Re: Is Mara an actual entity?

Postby Kusala » Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:24 am

manas wrote:Is Mara an actual entity, or just a personification of the force of delusion that has clouded our minds since time immemorial, and thus has acquired a kind of momentum and energy of it's own, and wishes to preserve it's own 'life', as it were? Or both? If the first, why would any Deva want to hinder folks from getting free from the sensual realm, or free of Samsara altogether? What's in it for them?

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Ven. Dhammika wrote an interesting article on Mara --------> The Buddha Meets The Dark Lord http://sdhammika.blogspot.com/2009/07/b ... -lord.html
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