How does Buddhist cosmology relate to mundane experience?

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Re: How does Buddhist cosmology relate to mundane experience?

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Re: How does Buddhist cosmology relate to mundane experience?

Postby PeterB » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:20 pm

I am quite relaxed thank you.

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Re: How does Buddhist cosmology relate to mundane experience?

Postby alan » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:51 pm

Haven't found any evidence of the Buddha claiming direct knowledge of this cosmology. Did he just use it as a way of relating to people who did believe it?
I understand that contradicting prevailing beliefs would stir up debate--perhaps he thought that would create too many problems?
Was this standard thought at the time, or distinctly Buddhist? Perhaps a later addition?

There is so much to admire in the teachings, but I guess the rational part of my brain still hesitates at full commitment when I encounter stuff like this.

Please help!

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Re: How does Buddhist cosmology relate to mundane experience?

Postby Kim OHara » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:36 am

Hi, Alan,
If you read earlier parts of the thread you will see my rational brain hesitating about some of this stuff, too. :smile:

I don't know much about when and where it all appears in the scriptures but my impression is that the basic 'geography' of the world is pretty much common to Brahminism and early Buddhism, i.e. the Buddha didn't introduce a completely new structure but accepted current thought. Later, I think (again, I'm no expert), Mahayana Buddhism, especially in its Tibetan branch, elaborated enormously on that.
You will have plenty of company if you mentally mark it 'doubtful but non-essential' and get on with the core practices.

:namaste:
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Re: How does Buddhist cosmology relate to mundane experience?

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Re: How does Buddhist cosmology relate to mundane experience?

Postby alan » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:56 pm

Ok, that is the best response I've heard; I'll take it. Reframe. I like that. Thanks.

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Re: How does Buddhist cosmology relate to mundane experience?

Postby Laurens » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:15 pm

"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

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Re: How does Buddhist cosmology relate to mundane experience?

Postby alan » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:42 pm

Details, please.

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Re: How does Buddhist cosmology relate to mundane experience?

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"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

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Re: How does Buddhist cosmology relate to mundane experience?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:42 pm

This is not a place for the Shugden business. Before condemning the Dalai Lama based upon Shugdenite points of view, one might want to read what the Dalai Lama actually said about it. There is plenty of stuff from both sides on the web that we do not need to rehash this very odd business, which has not bearing whatsoever for the Theravada.

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Re: How does Buddhist cosmology relate to mundane experience?

Postby Laurens » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:43 pm

"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

Carl Sagan

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Re: How does Buddhist cosmology relate to mundane experience?

Postby suanck » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:27 am

Hi all

I believe we should differentiate 2 general terms here:

(1) The Buddha's cosmology: ie the cosmology as mentioned in the suttas, in the Buddha's time. I believe this cosmology is shared by the Indians at that time, both Buddhists and non-Buddhists. The Buddha did not declare that He found any new concepts on the cosmology, but rather used the same understanding to teach the Dhamma.

(2) The Buddhist cosmology: ie the cosmology developed in several hundred years after the Buddha's pari-nibbana, based on the Buddha's cosmology as in (1). It contained more detailed description, mostly in later Commentaries. Most of the Buddhist texbooks written in our time are based on this cosmology.

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