steve19800 wrote:Hi Bhante/ all,
I just read a spiritual biography of Ajahn Mun Bhuridatta Thera. There is a chapter called: Spiritual partner.
In this chapter, a formless being visited Ajahn Mun during his meditation, expressing her disappointment. They, in the past, has made a vow to achieve Buddhahood together, the formless being worry that he might leave her alone during their spiritual journey and therefore she has not taken rebirth into 'proper' realm.
They were talking very long during the night, but the good thing is, the formless being was willing to take Ajahn Mun's advice, that is, not to cling to the past and follow his advice to achieve a desirable good rebirth. I'll try to keep it short.
But the formless being has to follow Ajahn Mun's advice anyway because whatever happened they were both in the different realm therefore they can't be together.
And then the question came across to my mind, what if they are both are in the human realm therefore can be together again or when our partner does not want to listen to us but expect us for example, as a monk to be together again with her (disrobe). Or for the extreme example, if the monk doesn't want to disrobe, she will commit suicide. What would be the best / right thing to do? Is this one of the obstacle that a monk has to give up?
Can Bhante or Dhamma friend share your thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Jayantha-NJ wrote:I was just about to read Ajahn Man/Mun's biography now that im done with forest recollections... what is the general consensus of that book, should I bother?
James the Giant wrote:My advice on this matter is to stop wasting your time thinking about it. As hypothetical questions go, this one is up there with the most abstruse and wildly unlikely.
A clingy spiritual ex in spirit form is NOT going to contact you to complain when you are an awesome meditation master. That's pretty much a guarantee.
Sokehi wrote:I've stopped reading the "spiritual biography". A meditation master in the 20th century meeting the Buddha (knock, knock, parinibanna?). Count me out.
I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Sāvatthī at Jeta's Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika's monastery. And on that occasion Ven. Saṅgāmaji had arrived in Sāvatthī to see the Blessed One. His former wife heard, "Master Saṅgāmaji, they say, has arrived in Sāvatthī." Taking her small child, she went to Jeta's Grove. On that occasion Ven. Saṅgāmaji was sitting at the root of a tree for the day's abiding. His former wife went to him and, on arrival, said to him, "Look after me, contemplative — (a woman) with a little son." When this was said, Ven. Saṅgāmaji remained silent. A second time... A third time, his former wife said to him, "Look after me, contemplative — (a woman) with a little son." A third time, Ven. Saṅgāmaji remained silent.
Then his former wife, taking the baby and leaving him in front of Ven. Saṅgāmaji, went away, saying, "That's your son, contemplative. Look after him."
Then Ven. Saṅgāmaji neither looked at the child nor spoke to him. His wife, after going not far away, was looking back and saw Ven. Saṅgāmaji neither looking at the child nor speaking to him. On seeing this, the thought occurred to her, "The contemplative doesn't even care about his son." Returning from there and taking the child, she left.
The Blessed One — with his divine eye, purified and surpassing the human — saw Ven. Saṅgāmaji's former wife misbehaving in that way.
Then, on realizing the significance of that, the Blessed One on that occasion exclaimed:
At her coming,
he didn't delight;
at her leaving,
he didn't grieve.
A victor in battle, freed from the tie:
He's what I call a brahman.