I'll bump it up for you, Dave.
Sam Vara wrote:One might pose the same question regarding death: why is it dukkha, given that I'm not experiencing it now? Depending on circumstances, one might ask the same of any other the things which are identified as being dukkha.
Good point, Sam.
Death, like birth, is dukkha because we ARE experiencing it now. We’ll spend far more time experiencing the idea of, the prospect of, the meaning of, and the significance behind our impending death throughout this very life – along with any subsequent anxiety, fear, worry – than we will when it actually happens. These objective perspectives of birth and death as solely the actual event – while quite popular – completely disregard the extremely significant role which birth and death play in the present - as we are relentlessly aware of them as the two principal occurrences which represent the beginning and end of the existence of this SELF; beyond each of which lies a darkness and a nothingness with no end in sight. In comparison, the actual events seem very impersonal and only serve to state the obviousness about them. This knowledge, IMVHO, is borderline intangible when it comes to the pursuit of nibbana in this very life because it does not deal with the pain we are currently in NOW. Like right now as you read this. So why would it be the included in the first noble truth? What noble truth explains my current pain about birth and death?
Yes, Spiny, I know the sutta translations SAY otherwise, but here it just doesn't add up.