culaavuso wrote:Spiny Norman wrote:culaavuso wrote:Ven. Ñāṇavīra Thera's notes on contact might be helpful.
I'm not sure I really understand, but he says: "This is the foundation of the notion that I am and that things are in contact with me. This contact between me and things is phassa."
Is he saying that without self-view there is no contact ( phassa )? And if so, what happens to feeling ( vedana ), which is described in DO as arising in dependence on contact ( phassa )?
Without self-view, what would the perception of contact perceive as contacted? This seems to be suggested by the phrase in MN 18 that it is "possible to delineate a delineation of contact" and thus to delineate a delineation of feeling. Put another way, to delineate contact would seem to require an implicit perception of what lies on each side of the line. One side of the line is called "object" and one side is called "subject", but this is imputed based on simply seeing, hearing, feeling, etc.
I'm not sure. The suttas talk about the meeting of sense-object, sense-organ and sense-consciousness, but that seems to be describing the process functionally, almost biologically, and I don't see an explicit assumption of subject/self in that. I think the assumption of subject/self arises from not seeing this process as it really is, but rather assuming the process to be me or mine.
Taking Nanavira's view to it's logical conclusion would seem to mean that both contact and feeling cease for an Aharant - but perhaps I've misunderstood?