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assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:19 pm
by Lombardi4
assada (enjoyment), adinava (danger) and nissarana (escape) - what is the collective name for these concepts?

In case you don't understand what I'm asking: just as anicca, dukkha and anatta are called the "three marks of existence", how are assada adinava and nissarana called?
:thanks:

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:36 pm
by kc2dpt
I don't know. :shrug:

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:09 pm
by imagemarie
enjoyment - attraction - liking
danger - aversion - disliking
escape - neither attraction or aversion - neutrality

therefore vedana?
Stretching it a bit, perhaps :tongue:

:anjali:

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:21 pm
by Fede
Does there have to be a collective name, or are you merely asking someone to propose a possible name?

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:32 pm
by Lombardi4
Fede wrote:Does there have to be a collective name, or are you merely asking someone to propose a possible name?
I want to put these three (assada adinava and nissarana) in the Outline but don't know how the title/heading should be called. I am asking what the name is, not create a new one.

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:04 pm
by retrofuturist
Greetings Stefan,

I've not heard of a collective term for these.

Perhaps you could align them with one of the vipassana nanas? Not sure, just an idea that came to mind.

Metta,
Retro. :)

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:46 pm
by DNS
My first check was with Maha Thera Nyanatiloka's Manual of Buddhist Terms and Doctrines, Buddhist Publication Society, and then google.

No luck with either one.

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:36 am
by kc2dpt
Gosh, it's kinda interesting that this doesn't appear to have a name. :o

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:05 am
by tiltbillings
Stefan wrote:assada (enjoyment), adinava (danger) and nissarana (escape) - what is the collective name for these concepts?

In case you don't understand what I'm asking: just as anicca, dukkha and anatta are called the "three marks of existence", how are assada adinava and nissarana called?
:thanks:

Where did you find these terms?

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:35 am
by mikenz66
Hi Tilt,
tiltbillings wrote: Where did you find these terms?
I think he is referring to passages like this:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nypo.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He does not know, according to facts, the arising and ending of these feelings, nor the gratification, the danger and the escape, connected with these feelings.
Mike

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:47 am
by Lombardi4
tiltbillings wrote:
Stefan wrote:assada (enjoyment), adinava (danger) and nissarana (escape) - what is the collective name for these concepts?

In case you don't understand what I'm asking: just as anicca, dukkha and anatta are called the "three marks of existence", how are assada adinava and nissarana called?
:thanks:

Where did you find these terms?
http://www.londonbuddhistvihara.org/lec ... /WEEK2.HTM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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http://web.ukonline.co.uk/buddhism/page4.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:57 pm
by Lombardi4
I took the term "standpoints" from here. Does the "Three Standpoints" sound OK?

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:11 pm
by tiltbillings
Stefan wrote:I took the term "standpoints" from here. Does the "Three Standpoints" sound OK?
Depends upon what you are trying to do. The "Three Standpoints" is not a traditional category. If you are cataloguing traditional categories, this is not one, but there is nothing to say that you cannot add to the traditional categories, drawing from the suttas, if you are not limiting yourself solely to what the tradition has listed.

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:17 pm
by kc2dpt
I think Stefan's point is that "gratification, danger, and escape" is a traditional formula, but one apparently without a name. Does the Buddha ever use the term "three characteristics" or "three marks" or was that a name someone at a later time gave to the traditional formula of "anicca, dukkha, anatta"?

Re: assada adinava and nissarana

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:31 pm
by tiltbillings
Peter wrote:I think Stefan's point is that "gratification, danger, and escape" is a traditional formula, but one apparently without a name. Does the Buddha ever use the term "three characteristics" or "three marks" or was that a name someone at a later time gave to the traditional formula of "anicca, dukkha, anatta"?
Picky, picky, picky, picky. It is not a traditional listing that has been teased out of the texts and named by the tradition. Just for Stefan's own edification, it might worth doing a search of the canon to see how often those words are used together. There is nothing wrong with him adding these three words together as part of his catalogue and giving them a name. It all depends upon what he trying to do.