assada adinava and nissarana

[Stephen K]

assada (enjoyment), adinava (danger) and nissarana (escape) - what is the collective name for these concepts?

In case you don't understand what I'm asking: just as anicca, dukkha and anatta are called the "three marks of existence", how are assada adinava and nissarana called?

[Peter]

I don't know.

[imagemarie]

enjoyment - attraction - liking
danger - aversion - disliking
escape - neither attraction or aversion - neutrality

therefore vedana?
Stretching it a bit, perhaps

[Fede]

Does there have to be a collective name, or are you merely asking someone to propose a possible name?

[Stephen K]

Does there have to be a collective name, or are you merely asking someone to propose a possible name?

I want to put these three (assada adinava and nissarana) in the Outline but don't know how the title/heading should be called. I am asking what the name is, not create a new one.

[retrofuturist]

Greetings Stefan,

I've not heard of a collective term for these.

Perhaps you could align them with one of the vipassana nanas? Not sure, just an idea that came to mind.

Metta,
Retro.

[David N. Snyder]

My first check was with Maha Thera Nyanatiloka's Manual of Buddhist Terms and Doctrines, Buddhist Publication Society, and then google.

No luck with either one.

[Peter]

Gosh, it's kinda interesting that this doesn't appear to have a name.

[tiltbillings]

assada (enjoyment), adinava (danger) and nissarana (escape) - what is the collective name for these concepts?

In case you don't understand what I'm asking: just as anicca, dukkha and anatta are called the "three marks of existence", how are assada adinava and nissarana called?

Where did you find these terms?

[mikenz66]

Hi Tilt,

Where did you find these terms?

I think he is referring to passages like this:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nypo.html

He does not know, according to facts, the arising and ending of these feelings, nor the gratification, the danger and the escape, connected with these feelings.

Mike

[Stephen K]

assada (enjoyment), adinava (danger) and nissarana (escape) - what is the collective name for these concepts?

In case you don't understand what I'm asking: just as anicca, dukkha and anatta are called the "three marks of existence", how are assada adinava and nissarana called?

Where did you find these terms?

http://www.londonbuddhistvihara.org/lec ... /WEEK2.HTM
&
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/buddhism/page4.htm

[Stephen K]

I took the term "standpoints" from here. Does the "Three Standpoints" sound OK?

[tiltbillings]

I took the term "standpoints" from here. Does the "Three Standpoints" sound OK?

Depends upon what you are trying to do. The "Three Standpoints" is not a traditional category. If you are cataloguing traditional categories, this is not one, but there is nothing to say that you cannot add to the traditional categories, drawing from the suttas, if you are not limiting yourself solely to what the tradition has listed.

[Peter]

I think Stefan's point is that "gratification, danger, and escape" is a traditional formula, but one apparently without a name. Does the Buddha ever use the term "three characteristics" or "three marks" or was that a name someone at a later time gave to the traditional formula of "anicca, dukkha, anatta"?

[tiltbillings]

I think Stefan's point is that "gratification, danger, and escape" is a traditional formula, but one apparently without a name. Does the Buddha ever use the term "three characteristics" or "three marks" or was that a name someone at a later time gave to the traditional formula of "anicca, dukkha, anatta"?

Picky, picky, picky, picky. It is not a traditional listing that has been teased out of the texts and named by the tradition. Just for Stefan's own edification, it might worth doing a search of the canon to see how often those words are used together. There is nothing wrong with him adding these three words together as part of his catalogue and giving them a name. It all depends upon what he trying to do.

[Peter]

It is not a traditional listing that has been teased out of the texts and named by the tradition.

That does appear to be the case, as curious as that is. If it is indeed the case then an interesting next question might be "Why? Is there some significance to the fact that this listing hasn't been deemed name-worthy?"

Just for Stefan's own edification, it might worth doing a search of the canon to see how often those words are used together.

Informmaly, I feel like I've seen this grouping a bunch of times. Hence why I thought it odd they didn't have a name. Maybe there's something in the Visudhimagga?

[tiltbillings]

A very quick - not thorough - run through the suttas finds these three word used together as few as three times in the Samyutta Nikaya. There may be more, but I don't have time to look as carefully as is really needed. But if these words are used so little together, that would explain why they are seen as a doctrinal grouping with a name of their own.

[retrofuturist]

Greetings Stefan,

I took the term "standpoints" from here. Does the "Three Standpoints" sound OK?

Looking at the reference provided, I agree with the commentators that these "three standpoints" may be tied back to the Four Noble Truths. (see that reference for more information... it won't let me copy and paste here)

Perhaps you could treat them as an alternative rendering of the 4NT?

Calling them "three standpoints" alone doesn't seem at all intuitive to me, since awareness and recognition of the true nature of these things seems wise, whereas "standpoints" has ignorant connotations in the suttas. For example...

SN 1.20: Samiddhi Sutta
http://www.vipassana.com/canon/samyutta/sn1-20.php

Perceiving in terms of signs, beings
take a stand on signs.
Not fully comprehending signs, they
come into the bonds
of death.
But fully comprehending signs, one
doesn't construe
a signifier.
Yet nothing exists for him
by which one would say,
'To him no thought occurs.'

Metta,
Retro.

[Peter]

Some I found:

MN 11
SN 36.15
SN 36.6
AN 3.101
AN 3.102

There's a section on this in Bodhi's "In the Buddha's Words".

[tiltbillings]

Some I found:

MN 11

Discourse 11? PTS reference?

There's a section on this in Bodhi's "In the Buddha's Words".

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