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What is it that clings?

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What is it that clings?

Postby being5 » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:21 pm

We have this wonderful, very precise description of reality given by the Buddha (and others who have followed his path and experienced it themselves - some of them here on DW even!).
So, in terms of each discrete momentary arising of the five aggregates and consciousness (is the word citta?) what is it that clings instead of letting it rise and fall -what, exactly, grabs on?

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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby kidd » Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:24 pm

Is clinging being attached to seeing things as they're not, rather than seeing them as they are?

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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby christopher::: » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:12 am

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:25 am

Greetings,

Q: What is it that clings?
A: Clinging

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby zavk » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:43 am

Hi Being5

I'll leave it those who are more well read to point you to specific suttas that address this question. But I suspect a closer look at the twelve links of dependent origination might help and also that sutta (sorry I can't remember the title) where the Buddha talks about 'in seeing there's only seeing; in hearing there's only hearing'.

As far as my limited experience goes, this question 'What is it that clings' in itself provides a kind of answer. There are certainly answers to be found by reading up on clinging or by becoming more familiar with the logic of how the khandas or aggregates work. But I think the question can also be approached in a more experiential manner whereby we simply let the question steep (like a teabag) in our everyday experience.

For me, I find that the more I engage with the dhamma (meditation, ethical conduct, dana, etc) the more I discern this habit of craving-clinging. But even as I investigate craving-clinging, I find that I cannot really put a finger on 'what' or 'who' it is that craves and clings. This does produce a certain sense of perplexity or curiosity. This element of curiosity makes me want to inquire deeper (i.e. continue with meditation, ethical conduct, dana, etc). In the meantime, I find that the grosser forms of craving-clinging in my daily life seem to be diminishing.
With metta,
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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby pink_trike » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:05 am

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby christopher::: » Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:30 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: What is it that clings?

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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby christopher::: » Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:20 pm

Some metaphors just occured to mind... sky diving, bunji jumping, snowboarding, scuba diving... bicycle riding or diving into a pool as a child... with all the above, if you practice and do it enough fear naturally drops away. Worst thing in the world would be to think too much, stand at the open door of an airplane, a high diving board or the top of a cliff looking down. You just have to surrender, let go, and jump, over and over and over again...

After awhile normal "reality" is seen for the constriction it is, fear has vanished, and taking that "leap of faith" feels like freedom....

jumping into the unknown now becomes something you actually look forward to....

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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby chownah » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:02 pm

What is it that clings?

Two points of view on this:

1. A Theravadin point of view: "Clinging there is but no thing that clings."

2. A Saran Wrap point of view: "It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that cling."

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Re: What is it that clings?

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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:18 pm

Is it too glib if I say it's ignorance that clings?

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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby Individual » Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:04 pm

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:35 am

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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby being5 » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:17 am

Listening again to Bhikkhu Bodhi's 'The Nature of Existence' from "The Buddha's Teaching As It Is"


and contemplating the many helpful replies in this thread, my intention now is to return to the teacup of life and allow things to steep.....

Thankyou everyone for your replies.

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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby christopher::: » Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:32 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby being5 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:50 am

The teabag has been steeping, the practice has been continuing and last week a Dhamma talk by Ajahn Sucitto helped further towards an answer to the question "What is it that clings?". I post the link here for those who might also find it helpful.

The particular talk is "No End In Sight!" (but I could recommend every talk I have so far heard from this list.)



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Re: What is it that clings?

Postby acinteyyo » Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:39 am

Hi,

I don't understand this question. Do you think there is a "thing" which actually clings to something?

best wishes, acinteyyo
Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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