retrofuturist wrote:Are we getting back on topic or deviating off into an old debate?
An old debate... Sorry for bringing it up again...
You don't have to look far to find physical effects of kamma in the suttas: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
"There is the case where a woman or man is one who harms beings with his/her fists, with clods, with sticks, or with knives. Through having adopted & carried out such actions, on the break-up of the body, after death, he/she reappears in the plane of deprivation... If instead he/she comes to the human state, then he/she is sickly wherever reborn. This is the way leading to sickliness: to be one who harms beings with one's fists, with clods, with sticks, or with knives.
Ven Nyanahttp://what-buddha-said.net/library/Bud ... ip%C4%81ka
http://what-buddha-said.net/library/Bud ... th%C4%81na
Vipāka: 'kamma-result' or 'effect of action', is any kammically morally neutral mental phenomenon e.g. bodily pleasant or painful feeling, sense-consciousness, etc., which is the result of advantageous or disadvantageous intentional action kamma through body, speech or mind, done either in this or some previous life. Totally wrong is the belief that, according to Buddhism, everything is the result of previous action. Never, for example, is any kammically advantageous or disadvantageous intentional action the result of former action, being in reality itself kamma. On this subject see: titthāyatana kamma, Tab. I; Fund II. Cf. A. III, 101; Kath. 162 Guide, p. 80.
Kamma-produced kammaja or kamma-samutthāna material things are never called kamma-vipāka as this term may be applied only to mental phenomena.
Samutthāna: 'origination'. There are 4 kinds of origination of material phenomena, namely: through kamma, consciousness, temperature, nutriment. For example, 'kamma-produced' kamma-s. = kammaja kamma-born are the sense organs, sexual characteristics, etc., which, according to their nature, are conditioned either through advantageous or disadvantageous kamma constructions intentional actions; see: paticcasamuppāda 2 in a previous existence. 'Mindproduced', i.e. consciousness-produced citta-samutthāna = cittaja are bodily and verbal expression viññatti. For a detailed exposition, see Vis.M XX. - App..
Appendix: http://what-buddha-said.net/library/Bud ... append.htm
Samutthāna: kamma- (= kamma-ja), utu-, āhāra-s.: these terms are found only in the Com. citta-samutthāna-rūpa however, occurs already in Dhs. (§ 586) of the Abh. Canon; and is indicated very often in Patth., e.g.tam cittam samutthānānañ ca rūpānam The teaching of the origin of matter is, of course, already implied in the old sutta texts.