Tathagatas' teaching constantly available...?

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Tathagatas' teaching constantly available...?

Postby Sekha » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:18 pm

... in higher realms? For devas of Four great Kings, the Buddha died less than two months ago. In Tavatimsa, it was less than a month ago. In Yama, less than two weeks. In tusita, less than a week. In the ones who delight in creation, about 3 days back. In the ones who control others' creations, day before yesterday.

In even higher realms, the life span is certainly longer than the gap between two Tathagatas.

Then can we infer their teaching is constantly available in these realms?
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Re: Tathgatas' teaching constantly available...?

Postby Stuart » Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:51 pm

Dukkhanirodha wrote:... in higher realms? For devas of Four great Kings, the Buddha died less than two months ago. In Tavatimsa, it was less than a month ago. In Yama, less than two weeks. In tusita, less than a week. In the ones who delight in creation, about 3 days back. In the ones who control others' creations, day before yesterday.

In even higher realms, the life span is certainly longer than the gap between two Tathagatas.

Then can we infer their teaching is constantly available in these realms?

:anjali:

Maybe your calculations are correct for the last two Tathagatas, but maybe not for all the ones before that. Perhaps the devas are having such a good time that they forget easily? ;)

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Re: Tathgatas' teaching constantly available...?

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:19 pm

what is your source?
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Re: Tathgatas' teaching constantly available...?

Postby BlackBird » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:55 pm

Manapa wrote:what is your source?


"Fifty human years are equal to one day & night among the Devas of the Four Great Kings. Thirty such days & nights make a month. Twelve such months make a year. Five hundred such heavenly years constitute the life-span among the Devas of the Four Great Kings. Now, it is possible that a certain man or woman — from having observed this Uposatha endowed with eight factors — on the break-up of the body, after death, might be reborn among the Devas of the Four Great Kings. It was in reference to this that it was said, 'Kingship over human beings is a meager thing when compared with heavenly bliss.'

"A human century is equal to one day & night among the Devas of the Thirty-Three. Thirty such days & nights make a month... One thousand such heavenly years constitute the life-span among the Devas of the Thirty-three. Now, it is possible that a certain man or woman — from having observed this Uposatha endowed with eight factors — on the break-up of the body, after death, might be reborn among the Devas of the Thirty-three. It was in reference to this that it was said, 'Kingship over human beings is a meager thing when compared with heavenly bliss.'

"Two human centuries are equal to one day & night among the Yama Devas... Two thousand such heavenly years constitute the life-span among the Yama Devas...

"Four human centuries are equal to one day & night among the Contented Devas... Four thousand such heavenly years constitute the life-span among the Contented Devas...

"Eight human centuries is equal to one day & night among the devas who delight in creation... Eight thousand such heavenly years constitute the life-span among the devas who delight in creation...

"Sixteen human centuries are equal to one day & night among the devas who have power over the creations of others. Thirty such days & nights make a month. Twelve such months make a year. Sixteen thousand such heavenly years constitute the life-span among the devas who have power over the creations of others. Now, it is possible that a certain man or woman — from having observed this Uposatha endowed with eight factors — on the break-up of the body, after death, might be reborn among the devas who have power over the creations of others. It was in reference to this that it was said, 'Kingship over human beings is a meager thing when compared with heavenly bliss.'"


- http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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Re: Tathgatas' teaching constantly available...?

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:14 pm

hi Jack,
thanks, but what about the Buddha dying a month ago, less than a month ago etc?
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Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:14 pm

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Re: Tathgatas' teaching constantly available...?

Postby BlackBird » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:21 pm

Manapa wrote:hi Jack,
thanks, but what about the Buddha dying a month ago, less than a month ago etc?


Hi Manapa

As it says in the Sutta: X amount of human centuries correspond to Y amount of Deva-days. So in Deva realm Z, 500BCE was only yesterday.

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Re: Tathgatas' teaching constantly available...?

Postby Sekha » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:37 pm

can we infer that at whatever time in the future, no matter whether the sasana in the human world is ended or not, if we are fortunate enough we can get to be born in place where we will still be able to continue practicing the Tathagatha's teachings?
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Re: Tathgatas' teaching constantly available...?

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:58 am

Right, now I get it! more inferance than I thought there.
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