Did the Buddha dream?

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Re: Did the Buddha dream?

Postby Kim OHara » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:57 am

Goofaholix wrote:What is a dream? isn't it just the mind continually proliferating even when the body is asleep? A continuation of the crap that goes through the mind during the day.

Many dreams are just that. Some are pseudo-explanations of things the body is aware of in sleep but the conscious mind isn't 'there' to observe - a slammed door being fitted into the dream as an explosion or something similar.
Goofaholix wrote:I've noticed as a result of my meditation practice I tend to be aware during some periods of sleep, I don't think it's always sleeplessness as sleeplessness results in me being tired the rest of the day. I've heard teachers suggest similar things.
So I think it not unreasonable to assume that the Buddha may have been continually aware while his body was sleeping.
As for astral travel save that for the new agers.

Ditto and ditto and ditto and yeah, I think so too.
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Re: Did the Buddha dream?

Postby son of dhamma » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:37 am

When consciousness (in a word, reflective cognizance) exists in this plane--which means only that it is in this mental frequency as opposed to 30 alternate ranges--then it generates gross matter or collects gross matter to form the body by the kammic processes. When the mental frequency of this consciousness is altered there is the generation of a mental form body, constructed of 'fine-matter' as is generated in the Form realm (Brahma planes). If consciousness is in the form-body then it is still in the material body, a form-body has simply been constructed from the mind which arose with no form-body at the beginning of that life (this is apparently what astral-projection is in reality). In this way there is traveling to the planes of the Form-realm, but only in the sense that one has consciousness and faculties there.
In the Pali Canon it is illustrated that the Buddha :buddha1: ascended to Tavatimsa to deliver the Abhidhamma to all the devas who assembled there, and he descended each day to eat material food which his body yet required. This describes his material body not being perceived in this plane, as though it becomes more subtle as the beings on that plane with the adjustment of his mental frequency. This is how travel to the other 10 planes in the Sensual realm is, because it matter is generated in these frequencies. In the Form realm, fine-matter is generated and to be in that realm is to have a fine-material body--it is impossible for MATTER to be present in a frequency of FINE-MATTER, and likewise NO-MATTER as in the Formless realm. Remember that consciousness is simply the reflective cognizance of whatever the body is experiencing (sensations, perceptions, mental formations).
The controversy here on this page really concerns the body that exists on different planes. The solution is that the Abhidhamma illustrates material bodies in the Sensual realm (any of the first 11 planes), and fine-material bodies in the Form realm (12-27). Moving to another plane does not mean taking gross matter and shoving it through some spatial membrane--that's materialistic 'delusionism' :quote: --but it means simply that the mental frequency is altered to be congruent of those beings existing on that plane, and a body (or formless consciousness) generated in that plane.
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Re: Did the Buddha dream?

Postby son of dhamma » Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:48 am

As far as the Buddha :buddha1: is concerned in all this: The Buddha did not dream in the sense that we do because he did not experience a less concentrated--or more dissipated--state of awareness. There is always consciousness, even during sleep, the awareness of most people has simply dissipated to such an extent that consciousness isn't reflecting anything noticeable. *It is important in America not to confuse consciousness with the American psychological idea of consciousness, which gives way to unconsciousness, etc. and is not consistent with the Dhamma scripture.
The Buddha was :buddha2: "Fully Enlightened" :buddha2: , and it is described in detail that his own consciousness is not limited by anything--he can see anything anywhere in any point of infinite time in infinite space, whether his own life or another life. His consciousness is not bound by awareness, because his mind is not something to be aware of, it has been Enlightened after Bodhisattahood, it is all-encompassing and it has become immune to suffering (Nibbana). Whether the remaining body is asleep, the size of a pin, or completely dissolved, the mind of the Buddha IS Nibbana; in the body it does not experience dissipated awareness as in dreaming, after disaggregation there is no experience (Parinibbana).
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Re: Did the Buddha dream?

Postby Individual » Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:00 am

I don't think anybody knows for certain but it's not important.
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