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The three marks and the three D.O. kilesas

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:11 am
by Lombardi4
While I was contemplating the three marks of existence, I came to these insights.

1) Realization of impermanence eradicates clinging.
2) Realization of suffering eradicates craving.
3) Realization of non-self eradicates ignorance.

Can you see why?

1) We cling because we think things are permanent. When we see that they are impermanent we stop clinging.
2) We crave because we think things are pleasurable. When we see they are dukkha we stop craving.
3) We are ignorant because we think we have a self. When we realize anatta we eradicate ignorance.

It makes sense. I have not heard this from any teacher nor from the Buddha himself.

What do you think?

Re: The three marks and the three D.O. kilesas

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:25 am
by retrofuturist
Greetings Stefan,

I think 'eradicates' is probably too strong a word, though the logic seems sound.

Metta,
Retro. :)

Re: The three marks and the three D.O. kilesas

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:27 am
by Lombardi4
retrofuturist wrote:Greetings Stefan,

I think 'eradicates' is probably too strong a word, though the logic seems sound.

Metta,
Retro. :)
Thanks. Please bear in mind though, that English is not my native language. :tongue:

:smile:

Re: The three marks and the three D.O. kilesas

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:38 am
by retrofuturist
Greetings Stefan,

No that's fine - I was just thinking in case you were to put something on Wikipedia etc.

Metta,
Retro. :)

Re: The three marks and the three D.O. kilesas

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:41 am
by Lombardi4
retrofuturist wrote:Greetings Stefan,

No that's fine - I was just thinking in case you were to put something on Wikipedia etc.

Metta,
Retro. :)
In this case I wouldn't because it is not confirmed by an authority such as a teacher, nor do I have a reference.


:smile:



:focus:

Re: The three marks and the three D.O. kilesas

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:13 pm
by PeterB
Stefan wrote:While I was contemplating the three marks of existence, I came to these insights.

1) Realization of impermanence eradicates clinging.
2) Realization of suffering eradicates craving.
3) Realization of non-self eradicates ignorance.

Can you see why?

1) We cling because we think things are permanent. When we see that they are impermanent we stop clinging.
2) We crave because we think things are pleasurable. When we see they are dukkha we stop craving.
3) We are ignorant because we think we have a self. When we realize anatta we eradicate ignorance.

It makes sense. I have not heard this from any teacher nor from the Buddha himself.

What do you think?
I think your 1) could go both ways Stefan...sometimes we cling BECAUSE something is impermanant.
A realisation of anicca, dukkha, and anatta arises together , it seems to me.

Re: The three marks and the three D.O. kilesas

Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:51 pm
by DNS
Stefan wrote:While I was contemplating the three marks of existence, I came to these insights.

1) Realization of impermanence eradicates clinging.
2) Realization of suffering eradicates craving.
3) Realization of non-self eradicates ignorance.
That is good. A way to improve it might be to have the Three Marks helping to eradicate the Three causes of kamma.

Something like:

1) Realization of impermanence helps eradicate clinging.
2) Realization of suffering helps eradicate aversion.
3) Realization of non-self helps eradicates ignorance.

Re: The three marks and the three D.O. kilesas

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 1:19 am
by Alex123
Stefan wrote:While I was contemplating the three marks of existence, I came to these insights.

1) Realization of impermanence eradicates clinging.
2) Realization of suffering eradicates craving.
3) Realization of non-self eradicates ignorance.
What do you think?

Views of Self is upadana, clinging to self views. I supposed the wrong view of permanence and everlastingness would fit into upadana.
There are these four kinds of clinging: clinging to sensual pleasures, clinging to views, clinging to rituals and observances, and clinging to a doctrine of self. With the arising of craving there is the arising of clinging. With the cessation of craving there is the cessation of clinging.
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Ignorance is most often defined as not knowing 4NT.
Not knowing about suffering, not knowing about the origin of suffering, not knowing about the cessation of suffering, not knowing about the way leading to the cessation of suffering — this is called ignorance.
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With metta,

Alex