Emptiness

[PeterB]

tut tut

[PeterB]

Its probably just me Tilt. The years spent on cushions listening to discourses on the" Seventeen Kinds of Emptiness " during my time in the Vajrayana have no doubt left their scars..

Well, the nice things about the 17 kinds of Emptiness is that they are all empty.

I have grown to dwell in aversion to that capital " E "...it has a whiff of papanca about it..
No doubt this indicates an area I need to work on. The Emptiness of the "e".
Sorry, I meant the emptiness of the "E"..

[m0rl0ck]

"Empty of whatever is not there" does this entail "impermanence" still being there?

To what would one ascribe the quality of impermanence?

To "something" which is identifiable and that which is "identifiable" as "this" (which is said to be "impermanent") may appear so based on the construction of "own being" of "this". Otherwise if there is no "own being" to what does "this" (which is said to be "impermanent") refer to?

Wow. Thats a heck of a question and neatly phrased too. What it brings me up against is that the ground or point from which one is looking is empty as well.

[tiltbillings]

To "something" which is identifiable and that which is "identifiable" as "this" (which is said to be "impermanent") may appear so based on the construction of "own being" of "this". Otherwise if there is no "own being" to what does "this" (which is said to be "impermanent") refer to?

Wow. Thats a heck of a question and neatly phrased too. What it brings me up against is that the ground or point from which one is looking is empty as well.

But is the question actually meaningful, or might there be an unstated assumption or three lurking there?

[m0rl0ck]

To "something" which is identifiable and that which is "identifiable" as "this" (which is said to be "impermanent") may appear so based on the construction of "own being" of "this". Otherwise if there is no "own being" to what does "this" (which is said to be "impermanent") refer to?

Wow. Thats a heck of a question and neatly phrased too. What it brings me up against is that the ground or point from which one is looking is empty as well.

But is the question actually meaningful, or might there be an unstated assumption or three lurking there?

Its meaningful to me and has arisen i think partly because of my practice. In fact for a while it had me feeling a little pinned to the wall. Im also sure that assumptions unstated and maybe even unknown figure in.