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Nikaya Bindings?

Postby Reductor » Tue May 11, 2010 6:29 pm

Hi there.

I have the three nikayas published by Wisdom, and they're good translations (as everyone knows). However, the bindings of my MN and SN seem to be of poor quality. What I want to know is if other people are having or have had trouble with the bindings of their editions.

The binding of SN, when it's laid flat, seems like its going to crack, and the MN binding, at the top of the book, has separated. I'll link pics to this post.

I am most concerned about getting years of use from these books. I bought them in 2005, and even then the SN binding seemed ready to crack. Admittedly I have not read them that much since the first purchase :embarassed: But I'm reading them a lot now, and would like to have them last for a few years into the future. So take a look and tell me if you think its something to worry about or not.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/50078548@N03/4598635801/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/50078548@N03/4598639503/
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Re: Nikaya Bindings?

Postby bodom » Tue May 11, 2010 6:44 pm

I have the DN, MN, and SN which I purchased over three years ago and have no problems with the bindings myself, though I have heard of others having this problem.

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Re: Nikaya Bindings?

Postby Cittasanto » Tue May 11, 2010 9:29 pm

bodom wrote:I have the DN, MN, and SN which I purchased over three years ago and have no problems with the bindings myself, though I have heard of others having this problem.

:anjali:


I have had no problems with mine either!

may just be a slight flaw or something? try to go to a book binders they may be able to help
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Re: Nikaya Bindings?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue May 11, 2010 10:37 pm

Manapa wrote:
bodom wrote:I have the DN, MN, and SN which I purchased over three years ago and have no problems with the bindings myself, though I have heard of others having this problem.

:anjali:


I have had no problems with mine either!

may just be a slight flaw or something? try to go to a book binders they may be able to help
A book binder is what I going to recommend. He or she would probably tell you that opening the book and laying it flat is hard on books. You may also want to try a bookstand for reading, something as this, which will not stress your bindings:

http://www.matchless-gifts.com/store/pr ... Books.html
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Re: Nikaya Bindings?

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Tue May 11, 2010 11:10 pm

tiltbillings wrote:
Manapa wrote:
bodom wrote:I have the DN, MN, and SN which I purchased over three years ago and have no problems with the bindings myself, though I have heard of others having this problem.

:anjali:


I have had no problems with mine either!

may just be a slight flaw or something? try to go to a book binders they may be able to help
A book binder is what I going to recommend. He or she would probably tell you that opening the book and laying it flat is hard on books. You may also want to try a bookstand for reading, something as this, which will not stress your bindings:

http://www.matchless-gifts.com/store/pr ... Books.html


Interestingly enough I own that exact book stand. I believe it's really made for reading the Quran (I got it from a Muslim site) but it's not too easy to use for read although it makes an attractive stand next to my shrine.

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Re: Nikaya Bindings?

Postby Ben » Wed May 12, 2010 2:56 am

Actually, you don't need to go to a bookbinder - you could do it yourself if you want to get the materials.
The year before last when I was working in a school library, one of my jobs was to fix books that were in worse state than yours.
If your books are relatively new, the first thing I would do would be to talk to the bookshop you bought the book from or the publisher.
You could also get some advice by taking them to your local library as they might have someone who can give you some hands-on advice.

What I used to do was to apply some pvc-based liquid adhesive between the spine and the back cover. We used to use (I think it was called "Melamine", an archival grade wood and paper glue, its white and takes about 20-30 minutes to set. You can also apply the glue in the cavity under the paper at the crease/hinge of the bookcover if the damage isn't too great. With melamine, you need to either put a weight on the book or wrap elastic bands around the binding to ensure that the surfaces you want glued are together.

I also used a strip of clear contact down the inside crease of the back cover. Also, sometimes on the outside of the cover running down the crease/hinge of the book-cover.
Your piece of contact should be at least 4cm wide and should be at least 8cm longer than the spine of the book. When you align the contact with the book, hold the contact strip vertically and align the centre line of the strip with the crease between the book cover and the first or last page. (Often its a stiffer, heavier paper or card). Lay the contact precisely. If you've never used contact before, it can be fiddly, sticky stuff. Now that you've got your stip of contact down, you've now got two 4cm strips at either end. You need to trim part of this excess contact, but not all. With one of the strips, use scissors to cut down the centre line until you reach the crease of the book-cover. Then make a horizontal cut trimming the excess contact above the page , taking care not to lop off the strip above the book cover itself. Now you have a strip of contact 2cm wide and four cm long above the bookcover. Take the strip and applying a little bit of pull, wrap it over the outside of the bookcover. Then do the same for the other end of the book.

My apologies for the mangled instructions!
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Re: Nikaya Bindings?

Postby Cittasanto » Wed May 12, 2010 2:57 pm

Hi Ben,
That is interesting never thought about a library being a good place to get a book repaired (unless it was one of the massive ones, such as in a museum) but your instructions did remind me there are a few instructions of how to bind a book, and i would imaging repair a damaged one, on the instructables website, I have been tempted to have a go at binding some sheets myself but never got round to it, and I will get a link in a min
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Re: Nikaya Bindings?

Postby Cittasanto » Wed May 12, 2010 3:00 pm

http://www.instructables.com/id/Repair- ... rebinding/

there are other links to the left that may be more suitable
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Re: Nikaya Bindings?

Postby Reductor » Wed May 12, 2010 6:20 pm

Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm glad that this binding problem doesn't seem to be widespread. It does suggest that there is something specific to myself or living conditions that are contributing to the breakdown of the binding. Do you think an overly warm apartment would do that? I Dunno.

Tilt, thanks for the suggestion about the book stand, but I don't recall setting my books flat very often, as I usually sit them on my lap while sitting meditation. This is mostly because I really don't want to stress the SN binding. And can you believe that this little town doesn't have a single book binder in business? Not even in the library!

Good grief.

So your instructions, Ben, will likely find use, as will the link you provided Manapa. Thanks guys.

Have a good day everyone.
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Re: Nikaya Bindings?

Postby Reductor » Tue May 18, 2010 5:06 pm

Bad news, everyone!

...er, wait. No... Good news, everyone!

I spoke with the sales director of Wisdom Pub, Mr. Pema, and he's offered to replace the Nikayas free of charge. It appears that this breakdown is indeed an uncommon occurrence and so it warrants an appropriate response.

So, that's good.
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Re: Nikaya Bindings?

Postby bodom » Tue May 18, 2010 7:03 pm

thereductor wrote:Bad news, everyone!

...er, wait. No... Good news, everyone!

I spoke with the sales director of Wisdom Pub, Mr. Pema, and he's offered to replace the Nikayas free of charge. It appears that this breakdown is indeed an uncommon occurrence and so it warrants an appropriate response.

So, that's good.


Wow thats great! Good for you!

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