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Cula Sotapanna

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Re: Cula Sotapanna

Postby robertk » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:10 am

Sujin Boriharnwanaket, the famous Thai teacher, says essentially the same thing as Mogok sayadaw. Cula -sotappana is mentioned in many Commentaries.

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Re: Cula Sotapanna

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:14 am

Greetings,

Does this bear any relationship to the concepts of a "Dhamma follower" and "Faith follower" which we see mentioned in the suttas?

Apparently these followers will not die before attaining sotapanna.

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Re: Cula Sotapanna

Postby piotr » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:16 am

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Re: Cula Sotapanna

Postby Jechbi » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:08 pm

Awesome, :thanks: piotr!

I noted the subtitle of the paper (Even a drunk can be enlightened). That seems counter-intuitive. I'll read the paper more closely.

Also, I think I read somewhere else that a cula-sotappana is not assured of liberation but can still fall of the wagon, so to speak, maybe because all fetters are still intact?

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Re: Cula Sotapanna

Postby rowyourboat » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:41 pm

this is a very important topic as we should atleast strive to be cula-sotapannas. They seem to be synonymous with sotapatti-magga persons, but not sotapatti phala persons (if you believe that particular version of the 8 types of followers).

"In the Dhamma thus well-proclaimed by me — clear, open, evident, stripped of rags — those monks who have abandoned the three fetters, are all stream-winners, steadfast, never again destined for states of woe, headed for self-awakening. This is how the Dhamma well-proclaimed by me is clear, open, evident, stripped of rags.

"In the Dhamma thus well-proclaimed by me — clear, open, evident, stripped of rags — those monks who are Dhamma-followers and conviction-followers 18 are all headed for self-awakening. This is how the Dhamma well-proclaimed by me is clear, open, evident, stripped of rags.

"In the Dhamma thus well-proclaimed by me — clear, open, evident, stripped of rags — those monks who have a [sufficient] measure of conviction in me, a [sufficient] measure of love for me, are all headed for heaven. This is how the Dhamma well-proclaimed by me is clear, open, evident, stripped of rags."

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

their insights are as follows (as opposed to stream entrants):

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... ml#okkanta

they also seem to be meditating as they are said to haev the five spiritual faculties:

Bhikkhus, who is the person living according to the Teaching (dhamma-follower). : Here, bhikkhus, a certain person does not experience those immaterial attainments with the body. His desires are not destroyed, not seeing with wisdom. He is convinced in the Teaching of the Thus Gone One to a certain extent, by wisely thinking about it. Yet to him there are the faculties of faith, effort, mindfulness, concentration and wisdom. To this one is said, living according to the Teaching. To this bhikkhu too I say, there is something to be done diligently. What is the reason: Bhikkhus, this one partaking of suitable dwellings, associating good friends, and with the development of his faculties, for whatever reason this clansman left the household and became homeless, that highest end of the holy life, he here and now, would realize and abide. Seeing these good results for diligence I tell this bhikkhu to be diligent.

Bhikkhus, who is the person living according to faith (faith-follower)? Bhikkhus, a certain person does not experience the immaterial attainments with the body. His desires are not destroyed, not seeing with wisdom. He has some faith and love for the Thus Gone One Yet to him there are the faculties of faith, effort, mindfulness, concentration and wisdomTo this one is said, living according to faith. To this bhikkhu too I say, there is something to be done diligently. What is the reason: Bhikkhus, this one partaking of suitable dwellings, associating good friends, and with the development of his faculties, for whatever reason this clansman left the household and became homeless, that highest end of the holy life, he here and now, will realize. Seeing these good results for diligence, I tell this bhikkhu to be diligent.

http://www.mettanet.org/tipitaka/2Sutta ... ri-e1.html

The stages are said to arise after ditti-visuddhi (3rd purifcation) of the 7 stages of purification. A sotapanna is said to 'know and see'. All stages of purifcation after the 3rd have the words 'know and see' after them. So it is assumed that a culla-sotapanna has reached this stage of satipatthana development.
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