emptiness and dependent origination

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emptiness and dependent origination

Postby convivium » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:03 pm

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Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
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Re: emptiness and dependent origination

Postby Shonin » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:31 pm

convivium wrote:how does sunyata relate to dependent origination?


Sunyata and dependent origination (in the broader sense of conditionality) are the same thing expressed in different terms.

Phenomena are empty of Self in that they do not exist because of an inherent nature but interdependently, conditionally on internal parts and external conditioning factors. This is why things change, what allows them to change.

I wonder if this is the best place for this topic though.
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Re: emptiness and dependent origination

Postby PeterB » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:41 pm

It almost certainly isnt. Or rather it is predictable that a discussion of Sunyata in the General Theravada forum will eventually be problematic. Sunnata and Sunyata differ in more than their respective lingustic derivations.
If it is really Sunyata that you are contemplating Convivium you might be better putting your question to Dharma Wheel.
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Re: emptiness and dependent origination

Postby convivium » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:55 pm

or how does it relate to jhanas or arupa jhanas?
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
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Re: emptiness and dependent origination

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:29 pm

convivium wrote:or how does it relate to jhanas or arupa jhanas?
Being conditioned they are empty of any sort of thingness.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: emptiness and dependent origination

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:23 pm

Greetings,

tiltbillings wrote:
convivium wrote:or how does it relate to jhanas or arupa jhanas?
Being conditioned they are empty of any sort of thingness.

:goodpost:

I think I might borrow the same answer to answer the "how does sunyata relate to dependent origination?" question too.

Metta,
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If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


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One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: emptiness and dependent origination

Postby Yundi » Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:44 am

convivium wrote:how does suññata relate to dependent origination?

This sutta may help you define sunnata: Suñña Sutta

This sutta may help you define a relationship with dependent origination: Parileyyaka Sutta

Also this may help: Phagguna Sutta

With metta

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