Nina's answer on dsg:
================================================================Re: [dsg] Can cause and its result arise together at exactly the same time?
Op 26-jun-2010, om 18:43 heeft truth_aerator het volgende geschreven:
> Can cause and its result occur simultaneously? How can this be? Any
> examples? I can understand and see how there can be two mutual
> causes (example 2 cards supporting each other so they don't fall).
> But it seems hard to reconcile how two things arise together at the
> same time with one being cause and other the result.
N: No, kamma and vipaaka could not arise together.
> A: Ex: contact and feeling. Do they arise at the same time?
> According to Theravadin abhidhamma yes. But feeling doesn't cause
> contact, contact is the cause of feeling. How can effect arise
> together with its cause? Shouldn't it come (even a nanosecond) later?
N: Here we have to distinguish cause that produces vipaaka and a
factor that is a condition for another reality. Contact does not
produce feeling, it is a condition in several ways for the conascent
Vis. Ch XVII, 231: Text Vis. 231: Herein, in the five doors contact
beginning with eye-contact is a
condition in eight ways, as conascence, mutuality, support, result,
nutriment, association, presence, and non-disappearance conditions, for
the five kinds of feeling that have respectively eye sensitivity, etc.,
as their physical basis.
N: Eye-contact accompanies seeing-consciousness. This contact
conditions the feeling accompanying seeing-consciousness by way of
conascence and other conditions that are conascent. It is the same
for the other sense-contacts. Nutriment-condition is mentioned,
because contact is a mental nutriment for the other conascent dhammas
including feeling. Contact as a mental nutriment supports the
prolongation of the cycle of birth and death.
Eye-contact ‘contacts’ visible object so that seeing and the other
cetasikas, including feeling, can experience that object. The
vipaakacittas that arise in the same process after seeing has fallen
away, still experience visible object. The accompanying feelings are
strongly dependent on eye-contact and it is the same in the case of
the other sense-door processes. The cittas in a sense-door process
succeed one another extremely rapidly. They all experience the same
sense object and are dependent on the same sense-door which has not
fallen away yet.
Nina.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dhammastu ... age/108140