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A lie followed by truth

Postby Stephen K » Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:10 pm

If someone tells a deliberate lie but immediately after that corrects himself and tells the truth, is the bad karma of telling the preceding false statement lessened to some extent?
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Re: A lie followed by truth

Postby Sobeh » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:11 pm

Trying to quantify kamma in this way will make your head explode.

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Re: A lie followed by truth

Postby Zom » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:07 pm

I think there is that "both-black-and-white-kamma" result in this case.

11. "What is dark-and-bright kamma with dark-and-bright ripening? Here someone produces a (kammic) bodily process both (bound up) with affliction and not (bound up) with affliction... verbal process... mental process both (bound up) with affliction and not (bound up) with affliction. By doing so, he reappears in a world both with and without affliction. When that happens, both afflicting and unafflicting contacts touch him. Being touched by these, he feels afflicting and unafflicting feelings with mingled pleasure and pain as in the case of human beings and some gods and some inhabitants of the states of deprivation. Thus a being's reappearance is due to a being: he reappears owing to the kammas he has performed. When he has reappeared, contacts touch him. Thus I say are beings heirs of their kammas. This is called dark-and-bright kamma with dark-and-bright ripening.


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Re: A lie followed by truth

Postby PeterB » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:13 pm

I really don't think that we can establish a simple one to one relationship between actions and vipika.

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Re: A lie followed by truth

Postby IanAnd » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:41 pm

Stefan wrote:If someone tells a deliberate lie but immediately after that corrects himself and tells the truth, is the bad karma of telling the preceding false statement lessened to some extent?

Understanding kamma as "volition" or "intention," if the lie was immediately corrected, then the (so-called bad) kamma within oneself is corrected in the process of correcting the lie. If, on the other hand, you turn around and lie again about the same circumstance, then the process begins again until you are able to admit to the truth.

Now, there are exceptions to this, but those exceptions are for another discussion, and they revolve around the context of the lie being told.

Remember, the Buddha's definition of kamma is: "It is volition, monks, that I declare to be kamma. Having willed, one performs an action by body, speech, or mind." (AN 6.63)

Got it? If not, read it again and again, and think about it until you do get it.

The first six steps of the Noble Eightfold Path are directly related to this issue of kamma. The cultivation of so-called "good" kamma begins with right view, right intentions, right speech, right action, right livelihood, and right effort. And it is understanding and implementing the first two of these (right view and right intention) that assists the person to correct the latter four. If you understand this, then you understand how to keep yourself on the straight and narrow path to awakening as well as toward being able to perform wholesome actions that benefit yourself as well as others.
"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Re: A lie followed by truth

Postby Kim OHara » Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:00 pm

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