Jaina criticism of Buddhist Kammic Theory

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Jaina criticism of Buddhist Kammic Theory

Postby Bankei » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:00 am

I believe the early Jains criticised the Buddha's emphasis on intention in the role of Kamma. I recall reading about this somewhere. The argument went something similar to this:

Imagine there is a baby wrapped in a blanket. The Buddhist thinking it is a large durian fruit stabs it several times with a knife, killing the baby. According to Buddhist theory there would be no kammic consequences generated because there was no intention to kill.

Now imagine there is a durian fruit and the Buddhist thinking it is a baby stabs it several times with the intention to kill. Buddhist theory would have that there are kammic consequences even though no harm was done.

Does anyone know where this debate occurs and what the Buddhist response was?

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Re: Jaina criticism of Buddhist Kammic Theory

Postby Sekha » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:12 am

Bankei wrote:there are kammic consequences even though no harm was done.

Harm was done. To oneself.

There is very little chance that you find two different accounts of the same event in two completely separate traditions. The jains will have recorded only the occasions in which they seemed to have winned over buddhists and likewise the buddhists over jains.
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Re: Jaina criticism of Buddhist Kammic Theory

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:09 pm

There is a story in the Suttas (don't remember the exact reference right now) where the Buddha talks about a baby that has some piece of wood or some obstruction stuck in its throat. The Buddha advises that it is okay to draw out the object, even drawing blood, even causing the baby to cry; to get the obstruction out and save the baby's life (implying that the Jaina position would be to not remove the obstruction because violence would be needed and pain would be inflicted and the baby would die).
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