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Enlightenment and the aggregates

Postby Spiny Norman » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:17 am

What happens to the aggregates when one is enlightened? Is it that they "continue" but that clinging is removed, or is that some of them cease to operate?

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Re: Enlightenment and the aggregates

Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:18 am

i think youre stuck with them until final nibbana
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Re: Enlightenment and the aggregates

Postby Nibbida » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:54 pm

The aggregates remain but they are no longer mistaken to be a self superimposed on them. It's just the processes of mind and body, rather than a "thing" called self.

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Re: Enlightenment and the aggregates

Postby dhamma_spoon » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:39 am

Hi, all -

Porpoise : What happens to the aggregates when one is enlightened? Is it that they "continue" but that clinging is removed, or is that some of them cease to operate?

Jcsuperstar : i think youre stuck with them until final nibbana.

Tiltbillings : What ceases to operate is the conditioning fueled by greed, hatred, and delusion.

Nibbida : The aggregates remain but they are no longer mistaken to be a self superimposed on them. It's just the processes of mind and body, rather than a "thing" called self.

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All the above answers are good! :sage:

The continuity of transient aggregates continues as long as there are "nutriments", but there is no craving to originate new birth.

"There are, O monks, four nutriments for the sustenance of beings born, and for the support of beings seeking birth. What are the four?
Edible food, coarse and fine; secondly, sense-impression; thirdly, volitional thought; fourthly, consciousness.
Of these four nutriments, O monks, what is their source, what is their origin, from what are they born, what gives them existence?
These four nutriments, O monks, have craving as their cause, have craving as their origin, are born of craving, and craving gives them existence."
[Ahara Sutta]

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Re: Enlightenment and the aggregates

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Re: Enlightenment and the aggregates

Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:31 am

Thanks for your thoughts. My assumption is that an enlightened person still percieves and feels, the difference is that these experiences are not clung to because of insight into the 3 characteristics. My assumption is based on the third Noble Truth, ie that with the cessation of grasping and clinging there is the cessation of suffering.

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Re: Enlightenment and the aggregates

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"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV


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