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Moment to moment rebirth

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

Postby Annapurna » Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:48 pm

I have heard it before that literal rebirth was an obstacle in believing or accepting the Dhamma, and I understand that. It's ok.

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

Postby Sunrise » Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:49 pm

THIS SITE IS GREAT :woohoo:

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

Postby Sunrise » Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:52 pm

I think paticcasamuppada is a dhamma to be seen in moment to moment. The Buddha said "sandittika" which means to be seen in the moment. So the moment to moment rebirth is more acceptable in the context of paticcasamuppada. Right?

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

Postby PeterB » Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:42 pm

Certainly Ajahn Buddhadasa would agree Sunrise, and so would Stephen Batchelor. With the qualification that T Mingyur mentioned that the question of time and its lack of absolute existence needs to be factored in, time also arising Dependently.....

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

Postby Sunrise » Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:13 pm

Good discussions :jumping:

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

Postby Annapurna » Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:15 pm

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

Postby Sunrise » Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:20 pm

Aww thanks Anna

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

Postby Jason » Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:10 pm

"Sabbe dhamma nalam abhinivesaya" ().

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

Postby PeterB » Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:21 pm

Sure does, and very well put Jason..Thank you.

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:19 pm

Well said, Jason.

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

Postby PeterB » Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:36 am

Anna this is simply a personal attack on one person at random on this forum when there are many who hold similar views, and you are telling him that he does not accept the dhamma because he is not prepared to say that he holds a specific belief in one highly debated and ambiguous aspect of Buddhadhamma.
Jason is quite clearly highly knowledgeable about what the Buddha actually taught rather than adhering to some emotional identification to a doctrine which is virtually indistinguishable from Hindu Reincarnation.
You are making an us and them over this issue and deciding to draw a line and that you are the arbiter of who is one of us and who is one of them.
One problem being that the line you have drawn excludes some of the most committed Buddhists both on this forum and in the non cyber world.
You are perfectly free to make your own decision about what constitutes the minimum of beliefs that in your view constitutes a " real " Buddhist, but that will exclude some major figures in Buddhism including some that have done more for Buddhadhamma than you or I are ever likely to do..like Ajahn Sumedho...who will never ever be drawn on this issue and always refers it back to the questioner.
You are simply being divisive about a matter that you do not have personal knowledge of..and that is a great pity.
Both what could be called the Buddhadasa position and the literalist position exist within Buddhadhamma, sometimes within the same monastery, with no one feeling the need to label anyone a non Buddhist.
And certainly without implying that a person who sees things differently does not understand because of their kamma.

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

Postby Annapurna » Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:11 am

Peter...wow... wow ...wow.... :weep:

I was nowhere attacking him, I was only asking questions, and he can say 'yes' or 'no'.

There were a lot of questions in my post, -clearly, questions don't constitute attacks, plus I explicitely said this is not my intention.

I am also not picking a person at random[up t/i], but am simply [i]replying to someone who replied to me.

Sad to say, it is you who is ad homineming me.

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

Postby PeterB » Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:27 am

Anna you quite clearly say in your post above that anyone who will not endorse a black and white yes position on literal punarbhava is taking that position because of their kamma. That is not an interpretation or an ad hom.

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Re: Moment to moment rebirth

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