rowyourboat wrote:Note how Ven sariputta says that even the slightest sanna, the slightest arising is dukkha.
There can be no gnosis (ñāṇa) without saññā.
Nana is with sanna. But your assumption is that nana is the same as vimutti, is not correct. Nana at it's highest pitch does something to the mind- that is sabbe sankhara samatha- the cessation of all fabrications- nibbana.
rowyourboat wrote:While I agree that person may experience magga- phala citta and progress up the path without fruition absorptions....
This is all commentarial jargon. The only fruitional samādhi mentioned in the sutta-s is the aññāphala samādhi of an arahant.
The suttas support the commentarial (visuddhimagga/mahasi sayadaw) understanding of the sotapanna state for example (and the path to get there). See below how a sotapanna perceives insight knowledges in line with the purifcations and the insight knowledges.
Knows and Sees Nama (Phassa, Vedana, Sanna, Cetana, and Thanha)
Knows and Sees Rupa (dhathu, sense doors) http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... ml#okkanta
Knows and Sees Vinnana http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
Understands Cause and Effect (has uncommon knowledge, knows saddhamma, doesn’t fall away, suffering is limited) http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
Knows and Sees the Paticcasamuppada http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
No doubt (does not think `did I exist etc.)- Avyakata sutta http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
Knows and sees anicca, dukkha, anatta (tilakkana) –also contemplates in this manner http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
Sees arising and passing away (sandittika,akalika,ehipassiko,opaniko, paccattan veditabo vinnu) http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
perceives Nibbida, Viraga, Nirodha- http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
understands the Four Noble Truths http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
experiences nibbana http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
rowyourboat wrote:Absence cannot be impermanent, except conceptually.
Even the commentaries admit that cessation of apperception and feeling is not asaṅkhata (cf. Kathāvatthu).
"Furthermore, there is the case where a monk, with the complete transcending of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception, enters & remains in the cessation of perception & feeling
. And, having seen [that] with discernment, his mental fermentations are completely ended. So by this line of reasoning it may be known how Unbinding
When you read the above it can be known that to see nibbana and nirodhasamapatti are both complete cessation. Ven Sariputta clearly uses nirodhasampatti to explain the experience of nibbana. It does not say that nirodhasamapatti is not asankhata. I suggest we stick to the suttas and not dip into the commentaries as we may pick and choose the bits of commentary which favours our particular view of the dhamma.