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About nibbana

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About nibbana

Postby Sunrise » Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:47 pm

Has anyone read AB's book "mindfulness, bliss and beyond"? If so, don't you think he is describing a more absorption kind of meditation and not necessarily anapanasathi as the Buddha explained it?

He has described that the mind attends to "Nibbana" when arising from the jhana "neither perception nor non-perception". Bhante Vimalaramsi seems to be explaining this as a mere "total blackout" and does not lead to Nibbana. Ajhan Buddhadasa doesn't even mention that higher jhanas are necessary for Nibbana.

Will appreciate your opinions

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Re: About nibbana

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:08 pm

There's no jhana
for one with no discernment,
no
discernment
for one with no jhana.
But one with both jhana
&
discernment:
he's on the verge
of Unbinding. (ie- not yet there, almost there)
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... ml#dhp-372
With Metta

Karuna
Mudita
& Upekkha

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Re: About nibbana

Postby IanAnd » Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:11 pm

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Re: About nibbana

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Re: About nibbana

Postby IanAnd » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:55 am

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Re: About nibbana

Postby Sunrise » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:22 pm

Many thanks Ian.

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Re: About nibbana

Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:14 am

สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: About nibbana

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Re: About nibbana

Postby Kenshou » Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:29 am

Really? Anagami or arahant due to simply the sphere of nothingness? Are you sure he didn't mean the cessation of perception and feeling?

If you aren't mistaken, then Ajahn Brahm most likely is.

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Re: About nibbana

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Re: About nibbana

Postby Kenshou » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:10 am

There is a meditative accomplishment beyond neither-perception-nor-non-perception, which is sañña-vedayita-nirodha/the cessation of perception and feeling.

In which apparently, consciousness stops occurring and everything stops for a little while. I believe that this does, supposedly, bring a person to the level of anagami at least. But the formless jhana of nothingness doesn't do that.

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Re: About nibbana

Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:12 am

สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: About nibbana

Postby Kenshou » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:21 am

Pardon me, what are you talking about? Lacking context.

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Re: About nibbana

Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:26 am

สัพเพ สัตตา สุขีตา โหนตุ

the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: About nibbana

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:00 am

Hi Sunrise, could you give us a page reference or a short quote, since I can't find what you are referring to in Ajahn Brahm's book...

Mike

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