The Four Sights of Siddhartha

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The Four Sights of Siddhartha

Postby pilgrim » Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:50 am

Can someone point out to me which literature describes the experience of Siddhartha where he sees the famous 4 sights which led to his renunciation? I understand it is not in the suttas but is it considered canonical?
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Re: The Four Sights of Siddhartha

Postby jcsuperstar » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:21 am

i cant remember the sutta but the story is there only it's not Siddhartha who sees the sights as described its a previous Buddha. i guess the thinking is all Buddhas become enlightened in the same manner or something.
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Re: The Four Sights of Siddhartha

Postby Virgo » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:26 am

Nevermind
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Re: The Four Sights of Siddhartha

Postby pilgrim » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:39 am

jcsuperstar wrote:i cant remember the sutta but the story is there only it's not Siddhartha who sees the sights as described its a previous Buddha. i guess the thinking is all Buddhas become enlightened in the same manner or something.

There is a sutta where the Gautama Buddha mentions that one of the past Buddhas saw the 4 sights as a bodhisattva. But there is a Commentary ( I think) which then says all the bodhisattvas of the past see the 4 sights before their renunciation. And this has formed the basis of the story of Siddhartha also seeing the 4 sights and sneaking off in the night ( although the Maha-Saccaka Sutta gives a different record of his renunciation, where his parents wept at his departure). I'm trying to determine which book this is.
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Re: The Four Sights of Siddhartha

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:51 am

Greetings Pilgrim,

I remembering hearing what you said above about the four sights in Bhikkhu Nanamoli's "Life of the Buddha". Perhaps that text might provide some clues as to the relevant source material.

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Re: The Four Sights of Siddhartha

Postby bodom » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:25 pm

It is in the Mahapadana Suttanta DN 14 and it was the Buddha Vipassi who sees the sights.

Heres T. W. Rhys Davids translation:
http://www.buddhistlibraryonline.net/en ... adana.html

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