Right Intention vs. Right Effort?

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Right Intention vs. Right Effort?

Postby dhammapal » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:51 am

What is the difference between Right Intention and Right Effort in the Noble Eightfold Path?

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Re: Right Intention vs. Right Effort?

Postby bodom » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:22 am

What, now, is Right Thought?

Thought free from lust.
Thought free from ill-will.
Thought free from cruelty.

This is called Right Thought. - DN 22


"And what, monks, is right effort?

"There is the case where a monk generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the sake of the non-arising of evil, unskillful qualities that have not yet arisen.

[ii] "He generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the sake of the abandonment of evil, unskillful qualities that have arisen.

[iii] "He generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the sake of the arising of skillful qualities that have not yet arisen.

[iv] "He generates desire, endeavors, activates persistence, upholds & exerts his intent for the maintenance, non-confusion, increase, plenitude, development, & culmination of skillful qualities that have arisen: This, monks, is called right effort."— SN 45.8
The heart of the path is SO simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice. Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing. Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this - just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle. - Ajahn Chah

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Re: Right Intention vs. Right Effort?

Postby Goofaholix » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:47 am

dhammapal wrote:What is the difference between Right Intention and Right Effort in the Noble Eightfold Path?

Thanks / dhammapal.


Intention precedes effort;

Intention: an act or instance of determining mentally upon some action or result
Effort: something done by exertion or work
"Proper effort is not the effort to make something particular happen. It is the effort to be aware and awake each moment." - Ajahn Chah
"When we see beyond self, we no longer cling to happiness. When we stop clinging, we can begin to be happy." - Ajahn Chah
"Know and watch your heart. It’s pure but emotions come to colour it." — Ajahn Chah

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Re: Right Intention vs. Right Effort?

Postby Individual » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:33 pm

Goofaholix wrote:
dhammapal wrote:What is the difference between Right Intention and Right Effort in the Noble Eightfold Path?

Thanks / dhammapal.


Intention precedes effort;

Intention: an act or instance of determining mentally upon some action or result
Effort: something done by exertion or work

Intention and effort are inter-dependent. If I don't have right intention, how can I change that?

Well, you need right view before you have right intention.

But what if I don't have right view?

Then you're screwed!

Is that right?
The best things in life aren't things.

The Diamond Sutra

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Re: Right Intention vs. Right Effort?

Postby Sobeh » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:50 pm

II. Samma sankappa...... Right intention

consisting of

nekkhamma-sankappa...... intention of renunciation
abyapada-sankappa...... intention of good will
avihimsa-sankappa...... intention of harmlessness

VI. Samma vayama...... Right effort

consisting of

samvarappadhana...... the effort to restrain defilements
pahanappadhana...... the effort to abandon defilements
bhavanappadhana...... the effort to develop wholesome states
anurakkhanappadhana...... the effort to maintain wholesome states

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As for

I. Samma ditthi...... Right view

consisting of

dukkhe nana...... understanding suffering
dukkhasamudaye nana...... understanding its origin
dukkhanirodhe nana...... understanding its cessation
dukkhanirodhagaminipatipadaya nana...... understanding the way leading to cessation

perhaps the Sammaditthi Sutta (MN 9) is useful.

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Re: Right Intention vs. Right Effort?

Postby appicchato » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:17 am

Intention is mental, effort is physical…namarupa in all it's samsaric glory...

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Re: Right Intention vs. Right Effort?

Postby Guy » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:37 am

Right Intention is wanting to do something good (e.g. wanting to be kind, be gentle, let go). Right Effort is the actual cultivation of wholesome qualities (such as kindness, gentlessness and letting go) as well as the abandoning of unwholesome qualities. Right Effort helps to increase the mind's tendency towards Right Intention. Right Intention is the intention to cultivate Right Effort. So there is a feedback loop between the two (as well as all the other factors of the N8F Path).

Or, at least, this is how I understand it.
Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: Right Intention vs. Right Effort?

Postby dhammapal » Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:01 am

Bhikkhu Samahita wrote:The Characterization of Right Effort:
Striving for replacing wrong view with right view, is Right Effort!
Striving for replacing wrong motivation with right motivation, is Right Effort!
Striving for replacing wrong speech with right speech, is Right Effort!
Striving for replacing wrong action with right action, is Right Effort!
Striving for replacing wrong livelihood with right livelihood, is Right Effort!
Striving for replacing wrong effort with right effort, is Right Effort!
Striving for replacing wrong awareness with right awareness, is Right Effort!
Striving for replacing wrong concentration w. right concentration, is Right Effort!


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