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a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain

Postby clw_uk » Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:51 pm

Ive always been a little confused to "a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain"

Does it mean a feeling of indefference?
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Re: a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain

Postby bodom » Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:54 pm

Indifference, detachment or equanimity.

The word "equanimity" is used in the Canon in two basic senses: 1) a neutral feeling in the absense of pleasure and pain, and 2) an attitude of even-mindedness in the face of every sort of experience, regardless of whether pleasure and pain are present or not. The attitude of even-mindedness is what is meant here.

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Re: a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain

Postby Jechbi » Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:57 pm

I think it means a feeling that isn't particularly pleasant or unpleasant, but just neutral. For example, if you put your hand on the table, it feels like a table top. (As opposed to, say, the unpleasant feeling of putting your hand on a hot stovetop burner, or the pleasant feeling of putting your hand on a warm kitten.)

But, no, this has nothing at all to do with indifference. Neutral feelings can be very engaging.

Just my 2 cents ...

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Re: a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain

Postby clw_uk » Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:00 pm

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Re: a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain

Postby bodom » Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:16 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain

Postby clw_uk » Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:21 pm

Thank you both :smile:

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Re: a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain

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Re: a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain

Postby bodom » Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:43 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain

Postby Element » Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:48 pm

Buddha is referring to NEITHER pleasant nor unpleasant feeling, which results in the underlying tendency of ignorance or confusion to arise.

For example, we see a small green man walking upside-down on our ceiling. We look staring at it in befuddled amazement. We do not know what it is. It generates neither pleasant nor unpleasant feeling in our mind. Our mind neither runs towards it with greed nor runs away from it with aversion. The mind circles around the little green man wondering about it, with confusion and ignorance.

Or when Africans or Amazonians in the jungle first saw the white man, with metal armor, white skin and all sorts of trinckets and things they never saw before. They stood their in amazement and wonder until they received a gunshoot wound or saw a few of their own dead. Then they understood the signifance.

Our mind does not understand its origin, its cessation, its attractiveness, its danger and the way to escape the danger. Buddha taught like this about neither pleasant nor unpleasant feeling. (See MN 148 and the Pahana Sutta as examples).

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