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Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start With?

Postby Mr. G » Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:09 pm

Hey all,

I'm interested in reading the books of Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda. Is there a particular order in which the author's books should be read that would assist the reader in better understanding the material?

Thanks! :smile:
Even if my body should be burnt to death
In the fires of hell,
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice
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Re: Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start With?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:11 pm

Greetings Mr. Gordo,

In order...

Ñanananda
- Concept And Reality
- Magic Of The Mind
- Nibbana Sermons

Ñanavira
- Notes
- Letters

I don't recall reading anything by Bodhesako, so I can't comment on his works, though "Beginnings" sounds like a nice place to begin. :tongue:

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If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


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One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start With?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:19 pm

mr. gordo wrote:Hey all,

I'm interested in reading the books of Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda. Is there a particular order in which the author's books should be read that would assist the reader in better understanding the material?

Thanks! :smile:

Which Books to Start With?

Ven Nanananda. He is a far, far better grounded scholar and practitioner and far easier to read. CONCEPT AND REALITY followed by MAGIC OF THE MIND followed by his SAMYUTtA NIKAYA anthology, which has copious notes by him and then there is the NIBBANA SERMONS. This all should keep you busy for a while, and the time studying his works is well worth it. Some of this is online.
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Re: Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start With?

Postby Mr. G » Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:59 pm

Thanks retro and tilt! :smile:
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Re: Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start With?

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:36 am

tiltbillings wrote:Ven Nanananda. He is a far, far better grounded scholar and practitioner and far easier to read. CONCEPT AND REALITY followed by MAGIC OF THE MIND followed by his SAMYUTtA NIKAYA anthology, which has copious notes by him and then there is the NIBBANA SERMONS. This all should keep you busy for a while, and the time studying his works is well worth it. Some of this is online.

I think it's all on line apart from, unfortunately, concept and reality (which you can order from BPS). I've been posting some of the SN anthology on the Study group lately, and it is also downloadable as a PDF, as is Magic of the Mind and Nibbana Sermons. I've been working through listening to his recordings of the latter which you can find here:
http://www.seeingthroughthenet.net/eng/ ... cat=nn&p=1
Since they are lectures, I prefer to listen to them than read them...

Another essay I liked was his discussion of meditation: Seeing Through: http://nibbanam.com/?p=49

Here's a thread with some more useful information: http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2042

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Re: Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start With?

Postby Mr. G » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:59 am

Great resources mikenz! Thanks! :smile:
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Re: Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start With?

Postby pulga » Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:24 am

mr. gordo wrote:Hey all,

I'm interested in reading the books of Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda. Is there a particular order in which the author's books should be read that would assist the reader in better understanding the material?

Thanks! :smile:


I would start with Bodesako's essay "Change", particularly the first half. (It bogs down a little in the second half with his elaboration of the recursive nature of samsara.)

I don't want to put too much emphasis on it, but an understanding of Heidegger's concept of being-in-the-world is also helpful in understanding what Ñanavira is getting at. I have always found the last several paragraphs of Letter 121 rather striking:

http://nanavira.xtreemhost.com/index.ph ... &Itemid=52
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Re: Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start With?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:29 am

pulga wrote:
mr. gordo wrote:Hey all,

I'm interested in reading the books of Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda. Is there a particular order in which the author's books should be read that would assist the reader in better understanding the material?

Thanks! :smile:


I would start with Bodesako's essay "Change", particularly the first half. (It bogs down a little in the second half with his elaboration of the recursive nature of samsara.)

I don't want to put too much emphasis on it, but an understanding of Heidegger's concept of being-in-the-world is also helpful in understanding what Ñanavira is getting at. I have always found the last several paragraphs of Letter 121 rather striking:

http://nanavira.xtreemhost.com/index.ph ... &Itemid=52
You have just made a good argument for starting Nanananda and probably not bothering with Nanavira.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start With?

Postby BlackBird » Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:58 am

tiltbillings wrote:You have just made a good argument for starting Nanananda and probably not bothering with Nanavira.


Should I bite my tongue...? No. You haven't read the book, so you're not really qualified to give people advice on whether they should or should not read it.
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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta
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Re: Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start With?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:30 am

BlackBird wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:You have just made a good argument for starting Nanananda and probably not bothering with Nanavira.


Should I bite my tongue...? No. You haven't read the book, so you're not really qualified to give people advice on whether they should or should not read it.
Which book havent I read? Having to deal with Buddhism filtered through Heidegger is less appealing than Heidegger alone, unless you like to deal with overwrought philosophiocal language. We have seen a nice example of that from Nanavira and Bodhesako in an earlier thread. If Mr Gordo wants to read that stuff, he certainly should. It is his mind he gets to make up and opinions vary.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start With?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:44 pm

Greetings,

For what it's worth, I'd never heard of Heidegger, yet found Nanavira's Notes On Dhamma very beneficial. I do have a Philosophy major though, so I'm not sure whether that's got something to do with it.

Metta,
Retro. :)
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


Exalted in mind, just open and clearly aware, the recluse trained in the ways of the sages:
One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start With?

Postby nyanasuci » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:00 pm

tiltbillings wrote:You have just made a good argument for starting Nanananda and probably not bothering with Nanavira.

I already know by now that when I see a fox on forums related to Nanavira, something negative will come out.

Anyway, mr. gordo, I suggest that you first read Suttas (!), and time to time read Ven. Nanavira (start with The Tragic, Comic and Personal), Bodhesako (Change) and Nanananda.... but avoid abhidhamma and comentaries, if you like to speed up to Nibbana. ;)
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I call them sages who wander without association, without affliction, without desire.

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Re: Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start With?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:09 pm

nyanasuci wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:You have just made a good argument for starting Nanananda and probably not bothering with Nanavira.

I already know by now that when I see a fox on forums related to Nanavira, something negative will come out.

Anyway, mr. gordo, I suggest that you first read Suttas (!), and time to time read Ven. Nanavira (start with The Tragic, Comic and Personal), Bodhesako (Change) and Nanananda.... but avoid abhidhamma and comentaries, if you like to speed up to Nibbana. ;)
He said, being negative.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
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Re: Bodhesako, Nanavira & Ñanananda - Which Books to Start W

Postby KerMax » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:11 pm

nyanasuci wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:You have just made a good argument for starting Nanananda and probably not bothering with Nanavira.

I already know by now that when I see a fox on forums related to Nanavira, something negative will come out.

Anyway, mr. gordo, I suggest that you first read Suttas (!), and time to time read Ven. Nanavira (start with The Tragic, Comic and Personal), Bodhesako (Change) and Nanananda.... but avoid abhidhamma and comentaries, if you like to speed up to Nibbana. ;)


Hello,
I take the liberty to create pdf files from the texts of Bodhesako available on Path Press website. It's easier to read this way. :

Change
http://docdroid.net/ez86

Beginnings
http://docdroid.net/ez8a



Source :
http://pathpress.wordpress.com/bodhesako/change/
http://pathpress.wordpress.com/bodhesako/beginnings%20the%20pali%20suttas/
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