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Looking for a sutta (Goenka discourses)

Postby Adrien » Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:20 pm

Hi everyone,

I'm searching for a sutta I first heard of in a Goenka retreat.
Here is a resume :
Once there was this man who requested the Buddha to help his father who was reborn in hell, go back to the happy realm. The Buddha agreed and asked the man to throw two (2) jars, one containing honey and the other some stones, into the riverbed. “Can you make the stone from the container, rise to the surface?”

http://www.mahindarama.com/correspondence/intermediate2-5.htm

Thanks
Please don't hesitate to correct my english if you feel to
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Re: Looking for a sutta (Goenka discourses)

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:02 am

That is a good story. It comes from the Samyutta Nikaya:

"Suppose, headman, a person would hurl a huge boulder into a deep pool of water. Then a
great crowd of people would come together and assemble around it, and they would send up
prayers and recite praise and circumambulate it making reverential salutations, saying:
Emerge, good boulder! Rise up, good boulder! Come up on to high ground, good boulder!
What do you think, headman? Because of the prayers of the great crowd of people, because of
their praise, because they circumambulate it making reverential salutations, would that boulder
emerge, rise up, and come to the high ground? No, venerable sir. So, too, headman, if a person
is one who destroys life, does not keep the precepts, and holds wrong understanding, even
though a great crowd of people would come together and assemble around him . . . still, with the
breakup of the body, after death, that person will be reborn in a state of misery, in a bad
destination, in the nether world, in hell.

Suppose, headman, a man submerges a pot of ghee or a pot of oil in a deep pool of water and
breaks it. Any of its shards or fragments there would sink downwards, but the ghee or oil would
rise upwards. Then a great crowd of people would come together and assemble around it, and
they would send up prayers and recite praise and circumambulate it making reverential
salutations, saying: Sink down, good ghee or oil! Settle good ghee or oil! Go downwards, good
ghee or oil! What do you think, headman? Because of the prayers of the great crowd of people,
because of their praise, because they circumambulate it making reverential salutations, would
that ghee or oil sink down or settle or go downwards? No, Venerable sir. So, too, headman, if a
person is one who abstains from the destruction of life and keeps the other precepts too, who
holds right understanding, even though a great crowd of people would come together and
assemble around him . . . still, with the breakup of the body, after death, that person will be
reborn in a good destination, in a heavenly world." Samyutta Nikaya 42.6
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Re: Looking for a sutta (Goenka discourses)

Postby Adrien » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:58 am

Great ! Thank you very much !
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