Hanzze wrote:Dear Friends,
there you have an old used PC and you like to make a beautiful 3D design with a new tech program.
Would it be possible to make it?
No, there are so many other programs, wrong dll's, autoruns, wrong installations...
and if you delete the old programs would it be possible?
No, there are still system entry's, wrong paths...
And what if you make a new installation of system, clean all and make it empty?
I guess the program would run.
(Comic- style I know, but could the message be the same?)
As mikenz said the sutta is about meditation, more accurately it is about the prerequisite to jhanic attainment. The putting down of the stick symbolizes vitakka, the rubbing symbolizes vicara and the fire symbolizes panna. The wetness is the hindrance of sensuality.
Also, in this caes Vitakka does not mean "idea" but "initial [mental] application", which in this context means the initial fixing of citta to the meditation-object, while Vicara then works the object / keeps focusing. Sensuality would then disrupt this stream. Vitakka is also seen as a counteragent to the hindrances of sensuality, sloth and torpor and is let go first in the 2nd / 3rd Jhana, not before that. The ending of what is commonly called discursive thought is then an effect of samma-samadhi, not a prerequisite. Their interruption depends on the quality of ones concentrative power. In my experience discursive thinking disappears in the access stage.