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A Rare Opportunity

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A Rare Opportunity

Postby Ravana » Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:27 am

In the talk given by Thanissaro Bhikkhu, he claims that the main goal for the development of the Buddha-nature doctrine is to inspire people to practice - give them the idea that 'anybody can do it' - and he argues that the doctrine of Buddha-nature doesn't really do the job well, and that it has many drawbacks.

From a Theravada point of view, I wonder whether the fact that we have been reborn as humans and have come into contact with the doctrine of a Buddha is simply enough to inspire one? Isn't having such a rare opportunity enough inspiration? What kind of kusala kamma do you think must we have done in our past lives to achieve this chance? And what do the Suttas say about all of this?

Thoughts?
“The incomparable Wheel of Dhamma has been set in motion by the Blessed One in the deer sanctuary at Isipatana, and no seeker, brahmin, celestial being, demon, god, or any other being in the world can stop it.”

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Re: A Rare Opportunity

Postby phil » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:23 pm

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: A Rare Opportunity

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:52 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: A Rare Opportunity

Postby Ravana » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:03 am

“The incomparable Wheel of Dhamma has been set in motion by the Blessed One in the deer sanctuary at Isipatana, and no seeker, brahmin, celestial being, demon, god, or any other being in the world can stop it.”

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Re: A Rare Opportunity

Postby nathan » Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:47 pm

It has been a puzzler. Well, it seems to me that this lacks the concern for disambiguation typical of either Ven. Thanissaro or Classical Theravada:

The Prajna Paramita Sutra on the Buddha-Mother's Producing the Three Dharma Treasures, Spoken by the Buddha
Chapter 17: ~ATTRIBUTES, SIGNS, AND TOKENS OF IRREVERSIBILITY ~
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=933

So, maybe it is a matter of taste after all? How can you know if you can't tell the difference in the taste? One would need to become a Buddha it seems. Only one way to find out in any case. If you get there before we do...drop us a line. Please print clearly. The mail from nibbana so far has been difficult for a lot of people to read.
But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}

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Re: A Rare Opportunity

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Re: A Rare Opportunity

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:37 pm

Buddha Nature to me doesn't say anything about it being a possibility, it is inferring far more the intrinsic unchanging nuances of a soul, or in this case enlightenment, than if we practice and cultivate certain things enlightenment is possible, which is only slightly implied with the name.
the name in throwing to much of a self even if changing as our underlying default rather than whatever we cultivate we inherit the benefit of.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: A Rare Opportunity

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Re: A Rare Opportunity

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:27 am

Hi SO
While Phils quote on the surface seems more tibetan inspired it does have its basis in theravada texts (their is a thread asking about a quote from the suttas regarding this, I don't think any one has pin pointed where from though and I don't know exactly where myself).
If it was potential I would use it as a concept, and it is something mirrored within my current "philosophy", my life shows this in many, many ways and I am sure allot of others here at DW would of seen this also.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: A Rare Opportunity

Postby phil » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:37 am

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)

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Re: A Rare Opportunity

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Re: A Rare Opportunity

Postby phil » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:51 pm

Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)


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