Sacha G wrote:Who is the one who declares himself a stream-enterer? I'm curious.
Buckwheat wrote:Bankei, that is pretty damn funny. But on a semi-serious note, I heard about a meditation study (I don't have a source, so ignore me if you must) and the electronic measurements of who had the most "special brain waves" matched with what the head monk said each persons level of practice was. So there was a measurable difference between the "advanced" students and the "medium" students. I don't know weather to jump for joy or go hide in a bunker. One thing I do remember about the study is that it was limited and has not been independently reproduced, but if the results can be confirmed.... bring on the Jhana Olympics.
I wonder if there is an "extra-special brain wave" for the arahant?
Zom wrote:Stream-enterer can even not meditate at all, being "heedless":
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
On one occasion the Blessed One was staying among the Sakyans near Kapilavatthu in Nigrodha's Park. Then Nandiya the Sakyan went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side. As he was sitting there he said to the Blessed One, "Lord, the disciple of the noble ones in whom the factors of stream entry are altogether & in every way lacking: Is he called a disciple of the noble ones who lives heedlessly?"
"Nandiya, the person in whom the factors of stream entry are altogether & in every way lacking I call an outsider, one who stands in the faction of the run-of-the-mill. But as to how a disciple of the noble ones lives heedlessly and heedfully, listen well and pay attention, I will speak"
Zom wrote:Plus to that, within a "stream-enterers pair" there are sotapattimaggas (dhammanussari, saddhanussari) - those who even haven't dropped 3 fetters, but will do so in this very life for sure. To be a saddhanussari you must only believe in that everything is impermanent. That is enough ,)
Zom wrote:Sometimes I see a global tendency to place stream-enterers on the unreachable pedestal...
Zom wrote: Sometimes I see a global tendency to place stream-enterers on the unreachable pedestal
A being can wander through uncountable lifetimes in many, many forms and on the occasions he/she has the rare opportunity of human rebirth, the being may not even be born in a time or a country where the Teachings are known.
If in the long, long rounds of Samsara, the being is fortunate to gain a human rebirth, plus access to the Teachings, health, and the kammic inheritance that will support their understanding – then they may achieve Stream Entry. Unless and until this happens, the flux of becoming (currently ‘Zom’) will simply be reborn over and over and over and over ad infinitum, unendingly.
So … while you have the rarest of fortunate lives, to be born in human form, to be born during a Buddhasasana, to have access to the Teachings, to be healthy and able to practise – go for it! Don’t be lazy. Who knows when, if ever, the chance will come again.
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