is vipassana the main stream everywhere or just in the west?

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is vipassana the main stream everywhere or just in the west?

Postby alan... » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:57 am

all i see around the west is vipassana with a tiny minority of jhana and other such methods. is this the case in theravada countries as well, that vipassana is the most common technique with jhana and other methods taking a back seat? or is it just a western phenomenon?

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Postby LonesomeYogurt » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:34 am

In Sri Lanka, Thailand, Cambodia, and Laos, you will definitely find a large focus on Jhana. Burmese systems seem to emphasize it less, but it's still there too. Anyone in the Ajahn Chah lineage or generally the Thai Forest Tradition will teach it, and they have wide reach throughout the Buddhist world.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
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Postby LonesomeYogurt » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:44 am

No problem. As for teachers, try checking out Thanissaro Bhikkhu, Ajahn Brahm, Bhante Gunaratara, Buddhadasa Bhikkhu, Pa-Auk Sayadaw (for a Burmese look at Jhanas), and Lee Brasington. All teach Jhana as a core part of practice.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Postby Cittasanto » Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:08 am

One thing worth remembering is that Vipassana can refer to a tradition from the Burmese lay meditation movement which calls what it does Vipassana, as well as the technique which allot of teachers would point to.


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Postby Cittasanto » Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:35 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby robertk » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:50 am

Vipassana means insight, or literally ' special seeing', and all buddhists aspire to developing wisdom leading to Vipassana.
Thus for sure it is a world wide aspect of Buddhists.

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Postby Mr Man » Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:49 am

The confusion is that, for many, vipassana has become associated with specific techniques e.g. a body sweepimg technique.

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