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Postby Cittasanto » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:36 pm

What about the ?
They teach essentially the same thing as Goenka (as I understand) and are from the same teacher Goenka's techneque originally stems. some isolation.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby 123ertyy » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:34 pm

Im glad that my country got many resources for meditation and to learn dhamma, since dhamma sermons can be heard from the media frequently. not many reap fortune out of it. I have to say that i had a chance to meet a monk who thrived many years in the forests meditating. Im sure he has attained high level of consciousness as you hear the words coming out of him. pure bliss, i felt why i'm still here laying back and trying to entertain the 6 senses ...

Gotta hurry up people, life's short! :)
We die someday.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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Postby Mr Man » Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:05 pm

Okay, I have a perception of a "Vipasana Movement" in the US something along the lines of the Fronsdal article that danieLion linked to. In my mind this is connected/has it's roots at IMS Barre.

There is also a technique which I think has wrongly become synonymous with vipasana which is the sweeping technique.

We could also have an umbrella term vipasana which could cover both.

I personally would prefer to see vipasana return to it's literal home (see robertk's post).

An example of why I said "they act and teach pretty much in isolation." can be found here:

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"


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