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Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby clw_uk » Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:52 pm

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby Sati1 » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:33 pm

Thank you for your ideas - great suggestions! It is interesting to note how the Dhamma strikes people when they least expect it. If someone had told me about Buddhism and Dhamma two years ago, I would probably have dismissed them and turned away. Then when some life-events last year resulted in me seeking a way to train the mind, an acquaintance recommended meditation, and the rest is history... I'm glad the aquaintance mentioned meditation, but I'm also glad she didn't try to proselytize, since that would only have inhibited a welcoming encounter with Buddhism.

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby SarathW » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:48 am

Goenka said he is for converting human,

- Not from one organise religion to another organise religion
But
- from misery to happiness
- from bondage to freedom
- from cruelty to compassion


Revolutionary speech to United Nations by Vipassana Meditation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy9PugTy15M
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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby arifinteh » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:10 am

I THINK GOENKA MADE A VERY GOOD EXPLANATION ABOUT THIS. ITS NOT REALLY ABOUT THE RELIGION , BUT ITS ABOUT THE WAY OF LIFE. IT DOESN'T MATTER A BUDDHIST, A CHRISTIAN, A MOESLEM, OR A JEWISH. DHAMMA IS THE LAW OF NATURE, AND PEOPLE STILL COULD BELIEVE THEIR RELIGION BUT THEY CAN ALSO LEARN ABOUT DHAMMA BECAUSE ITS SUPPOSED TO BE UNIVERSAL. LAW OF NATURE IS UNIVERSAL TO EVERYONE. DUKKHA IS UNIVERSAL, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO SUFFERING. BUT IN MY OWN EXPERIENCE, ONLY TEACH TO THOSE WHO REALLY INTERESTED AND HAVE RESPECT.

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby pilgrim » Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:20 am

The Buddha addresses this question directly. Note that the purpose is not to win converts or swell the number of believers.
Samyutta Nikaya 55.16

"Bhikkhus, those for whom you have compassion and who think you should be heeded
-whether friends or colleagues, relatives or kinsmen
-these you should exhort, settle, and establish in the four factors of stream-entry.
"What four?
You should exhort, settle, and establish them in confirmed confidence in the Buddha thus:
'The Blessed One is...an arahant, perfectly enlightened, accomplished in true knowledge and conduct, fortunate, knower of the world, unsurpassed leader of persons to be tamed, teacher of devas and humans, the Enlightened One, the Blessed One.'

You should exhort, settle, and establish them in confirmed confidence in the Dhamma... thus:
'The Dhamma is well expounded by the Blessed One, directly visible, immediate, inviting one to come and see, applicable, to be personally experienced by the wise.'

You should exhort, settle, and establish them in confirmed confidence in the Sangha... thus:
'The Sangha of the Blessed One's disciples is practising the good way, practising the proper way; that is, the four pairs of persons, the eight types of individuals -this Sangha of the Blessed One's disciples is worthy of gifts, worthy of hospitality, worthy of offerings, worthy of reverential salutation, the unsurpassed field of merit for the world.'

You should exhort, settle, and establish them in confirmed confidence in the in the virtues dear to the noble ones, unbroken, ... untorn, unblemished, unmottled, freeing, praised by the wise, ungrasped, leading to concentration.

"Those for whom you have compassion... and who think you should be heeded
-whether friends or colleagues, relatives or kinsmen
-these you should exhort, settle, and establish in the four factors of stream-entry."

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby Ben » Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:06 am

The only conversion is from ignorance to wisdom and it's the type of conversion that one can only do for oneself.
The best thing to do is to lead an exemplary life. A life informed by the Dhamma becomes a beacon for those searching to make an end of sufferng.
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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby manas » Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:35 am

I don't proselytize as Christians have put me off that for life, but I also sometimes feel like I've got this treasure - knowledge about the Dhamma that has truly helped me to have more peace and joy in life, and to be better able to deal with stress - and I just keep it all to myself, over the years learning more and more while others around me seem immersed in considerably more suffering due to not knowing those things. But yeah I agree with Ben, the best preaching is to speak and behave in an exemplary way, so that people will wonder "I wonder why he/she is always so serene?"
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby Coyote » Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:06 am

While it's true that a noble life is the best example and proof of the Dhamma, aside from seeing it yourself, I would not be a Buddhist had it not been for those who have made an effort to make the Dhamma available. I think it is important to make the Dhamma freely available and accessible so that as many people as possible can benefit. As for whether this would include proselytizing and public preaching, I am not sure. I have never been put off the idea as some here due to Christian preaching - but look at the reputation of the Hare Krishnas for instance. Buddhism should not be like that. Perhaps a middle way - not keeping the Dhamma hidden or secret, giving it a presence in western countries and making Dhamma materials freely available for those who want/need it. I think that when the Buddha told his monks to preach he was not imagining knocking on peoples doors and shouting in the street.
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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby pilgrim » Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:20 pm

People can be exemplary all they want, but I'll be too thick to notice. I am far from stream-winning but and am truly grateful to those who followed that advice and introduced me to the Dhamma.

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby andyebarnes67 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:15 pm

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:24 pm

If people ask me a question to which I know a Buddhist-related answer is appropriate, I actually give them the choice:

"Do you want an abridged version, or shall I go into this, big-time?"

It's amazing how many people, given the choice, opt for the latter.

About a third of the way in (see, I KNOW how long this is going to take) I stop, and ask them - "Am I boring you?"

To date, bless 'em, nobody has ever said, "God yes, I can barely keep my eyes open!"

Most have engaged in a friendly and interesting way.

so, by actually giving people an option, they will actually opt for a good discussion.

But me? Approach someone and start a discourse with them, with the pre-meditated intention of 'Bringing them to Buddhism'....?

Not the done thing, in "my book" chaps.....
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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby indian_buddhist » Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:35 pm

If someone is truly seeking , truly asking for Insight, for Knowledge then show him the teachings. Otherwise keeping quiet is the correct thing to do. You will hurt others more by trying to teach someone who is not interested.
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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby indian_buddhist » Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:39 pm

Also If I am not wrong, Trying to Convert others or even an urge to make others known the teachings comes under Bhava Tanha (2nd Noble truth) - Trying to impose yourself on others.....clearly not acceptable.

You would never realize as it is very subtle, When the urge to make known the teachings to others would often then lead to criticizing others beliefs which is a very very wrong thing to do. So best is to control that urge.

I believe that someone who criticizes others belief no matter what belief it is (many people do it) , the Person who has done this mistake (criticizing others belief) would most certainly goto Hell.
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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby indian_buddhist » Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:03 am

Identification with my country is one of my fetters.

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Re: Should one try to convert non-Buddhists?

Postby waterchan » Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:31 am

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(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)


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