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Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:57 am**

I'm preparing to introduce a set of Dharma concepts - primarily the 4NT and 8FP, to a non-Buddhist group of people - most of whom have no interest in Buddhism or religion/spirituality at all and aren't particularly "intellectual" although they are smart. I'll be presenting these concepts completely stripped of all "Buddhist" terminology...there will be no hint that the concepts I'm presenting are of "Buddhist" origin or part of a "spiritual path". I'll also be presenting simple practices related to these concepts that are grounded in normal everyday actions with no reference to any obvious "spiritual" goals of any kind.

I'm curious how Buddhists bring practice to real life situations...I don't mean chanting, reciting Buddhist phrases, or reflecting on the suttas silently...I'm more interested in how you've made ordinary tasks and actions in the course of daily life into practice. For example, one that I started doing many years ago is when I put the teapot or a pot of water on the stove to boil, I stand and wait for it to boil keeping my attention on the pot until it boils instead of letting the mind run off while waiting for it. It's true, a watched pot never seems to boil.

I've developed many of these micro practices related to many of the teachings over the years and know that others do this also. How do you practice in "real life"?

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:16 am**

Don't know if this is what you're looking for, but one thing I started doing a while ago is directing my attention immediately to the breath when I start to feel an undesired emotion or thought. A too-common example is when someone cuts me off in traffic and I feel that anger start, rather than trying to push it away, I'll immediately take my attention to the breath instead. Same thing when something happens at work, like a coworker complaining or gossiping all day or a client that gets nasty on the phone -- attention straight to the breath before the reaction in my head to *whatever* even gets started and picks up any momentum. It's definitely helped me calm my temper a bit, it's amazing to me how quickly negative thoughts dissipate if they don't have time to get rolling downhill.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:54 am**

By being honest about myself, others and life; seeing and appreciating things as they are.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:29 pm**

Hi Pink_trike

Why start at any other place than the lay precepts? Maybe discuss the impact to the world and oneself if we all worked at not killing, not taking what is not given, not committing sexual harm to oneself or others, and not lying? In a nutshell, striving to be blameless and harmless. Keep it simple and it may have more of an impact.

adosa

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:42 pm**

adosa wrote:Hi Pink_trike

Why start at any other place than the lay precepts? Maybe discuss the impact to the world and oneself if we all worked at not killing, not taking what is not given, not committing sexual harm to oneself or others, and not lying? In a nutshell, striving to be blameless and harmless. Keep it simple and it may have more of an impact.

adosa

Hi Adosa,

Yes, these are some of the subjects I'll be talking about. What I'm hoping people here will share are the ways that they ritualize the teachings during daily life...how they take practice to the street.

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A couple more examples: One of my teachers suggested whenever riding in a car, plane, train, motorcycle, etc... to consciously regard it as a "vehicle of awareness" and use that opportunity to practice awareness in action. And another teacher suggested to a group of students to regard the acts of defecation/urination/menstration/vomiting/sneezing as conscious release by acknowledging the processes of "letting go" while doing so.

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Thanks everyone for your feedback.

Posted: **Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:16 pm**

I find I brush my teeth a lot better when I do so with mindfulness.
I find I driving a lot more stress free with mindfulness.
I find everything easier to do after a sit.

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:56 am**

Brushing teeth is an excellent example, Jack, as I've also noticed that how mindfully i do it directly relates to the health of my teeth and gums. Writing is another activity where mindfulness effects outcome. When I write by hand i do so slowly and carefully. That's how i developed good handwriting. Same with art, anyone who does art will find a dramatic improvement if you cultivate equanimity, slow down and draw mindfully.

With driving equanimity and mindfulness means one is less likely to get into an accident. Cooking is an activity I enjoy doing mindfully. Also washing and waxing the car, exercise... One can use the body and mind as frames of reference while swimming, walking, cleaning, running, yoga, weight lifting, etc...

When communicating one needs to be calm and mindful to really listen to people. As Steven Covey points out one of the 7 Habits of Highly Effective People is to "Seek first to understand, then to be understood."

You could also make a joke about men, women and toilets at night. Women who complain they sit down on an open toilet seat were not being mindful, they should have looked first carefully before sitting down. And men of course can be mindful to put seats down and observe with care where they aim.

On a different track, I find the short Zen stories are great ways to communicate dharma principles. The story of the professor who doesnt empty his cup, and so the zen teacher pours till it overflows. The story of the monk who falls off a mountain, grabs a branch, sees a tiger below waiting to eat him and then notices a delicious strawberry, etc...

My favorite (and one that a lot of nonBuddhists have enjoyed) is the story of the two monks Tanzan and Ekido where Tanzan picks up a women to help her across a puddle and then Ekido gets really angry, after Tanzan had already put her down... The story provides a nice metaphor for how most of us carry around emotions and resentment longer then we need to.... I told that to family members one year, when there were some family quarrels, and found it hit a cord with them, I heard my aunt actually repeat the story to someone else...

Hope something above will be helpful, PT.

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:41 am**

Hi Jeff,

Do you have Ajahn Brahm's book "Opening the Door to Your Heart" (US title: "Who ordered this truckload of dung?")?
http://www.bswa.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lots of new and old stories there that you might be able to adapt.

Mike

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:52 am**

mikenz66 wrote:Hi Jeff,

Do you have Ajahn Brahm's book "Opening the Door to Your Heart" (US title: "Who ordered this truckload of dung?")?
http://www.bswa.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lots of new and old stories there that you might be able to adapt.

Mike

Nope, but Amazon says it's on the way. Thanks for the tip.

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:25 am**

mikenz66 wrote:Hi Jeff,

Do you have Ajahn Brahm's book "Opening the Door to Your Heart" (US title: "Who ordered this truckload of dung?")?
http://www.bswa.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lots of new and old stories there that you might be able to adapt.

Mike

seconded...

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:45 pm**

pink_trike wrote:
adosa wrote:Hi Pink_trike

Why start at any other place than the lay precepts? Maybe discuss the impact to the world and oneself if we all worked at not killing, not taking what is not given, not committing sexual harm to oneself or others, and not lying? In a nutshell, striving to be blameless and harmless. Keep it simple and it may have more of an impact.

adosa
Hi Adosa,

Yes, these are some of the subjects I'll be talking about. What I'm hoping people here will share are the ways that they ritualize the teachings during daily life...how they take practice to the street.

---

A couple more examples: One of my teachers suggested whenever riding in a car, plane, train, motorcycle, etc... to consciously regard it as a "vehicle of awareness" and use that opportunity to practice awareness in action. And another teacher suggested to a group of students to regard the acts of defecation/urination/menstration/vomiting/sneezing as conscious release by acknowledging the processes of "letting go" while doing so.

---

Thanks everyone for your feedback.

Are you strictly focusing on Right Mindfulness? I was thinking of Right Action which,as a path factor, is every bit as important. To me at least. Thinking of your audience, the concept of wholesome actions might transcend religions or even the non-religious. But maybe I've misunderstood your O.P.

adosa

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:29 pm**

adosa wrote:
Are you strictly focusing on Right Mindfulness? I was thinking of Right Action which,as a path factor, is every bit as important. To me at least. Thinking of your audience, the concept of wholesome actions might transcend religions or even the non-religious. But maybe I've misunderstood your O.P.
adosa

I'm presenting the 4NT along with the 8FP with no reference to Buddhism or any of it's jargon and no references to spirituality, religion, "enlightenment' etc...

For each of the 4NT/8FP concepts i'm also describing ways that we can remain aware of the concept while engaging with the patterns and circumstances of life. I'm curious about the little ways that people here remind themselves of the 4NT/8FP throughout the course of their interactions with the circumstances of life that don't involve formal practices or sutta recitation. I'm talking about ways of seeing and remembering the truth of each concept as we interact with the stuff of life...how the stuff of life itself can serve as reminders. Consciously associating Dharma truths with everyday actions/circumstances/appearances so that these experiences can then serve to remind us of the associated truth every time we encounter them - like the examples I gave. Like naming the bathroom mirror "the window of truth' so that every time we look into it we're reminded to see the truths of living in a human body instead of just the usual superficial image of the body. The mirror becomes a conscious practice aid.

I know this is more of a tantric technique, but I know that Theravada teachers frequently encourage students to make these kinds of associations also. Am curious what associations others have made.

Posted: **Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:59 pm**

Greetings Pink_trike,

When there is any feeling of discontent, I try to understand what is the internal cause behind it.

If I understand the internal cause, then even without controlling the external world, I can learn to remove the unpleasant effect.

Metta,
Retro.

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:09 am**

retrofuturist wrote:When there is any feeling of discontent, I try to understand what is the internal cause behind it.

If I understand the internal cause, then even without controlling the external world, I can learn to remove the unpleasant effect.

That's good Paul...my variation on the theme is: 'I can (try) to learn to accept the unpleasant effect as it is'...(knowing that it will pass)...

Be well...

Posted: **Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:14 am**

I like that, bhante... one focused on dukkha, and one on anicca... if we have a wise-reflection based on anatta, we'll have the full set.

Metta,
Retro.

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