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Life Sux

Postby Tree » Fri May 21, 2010 3:41 am

"Life Sux". Is this a modern and accurate description of the first noble truth?

We are told these days to be Positive. To me that is confirmation that Life Does Suck. But the soluton given is to actively create a state of denial and shift the mind's focus to 'joy/please/thrills'. "BE MORE POSITIVE!" :juggling:

But I believe that Buddha would say: "But guys! Life still sux!". Your delusion/denial is only a bandaid at best.

He is saying that we need to work hard to escape the Life (that Sux) permanently. No mor eendless Kalpas of Re-Births.

So does Life Suck?

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Ben » Fri May 21, 2010 3:44 am

No
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Pannapetar » Fri May 21, 2010 4:02 am

I doubt this in an accurate interpretation. "Life sucks," sounds more like the assessment of a depressed teenager or a French existentialist who had too much Pernod instead of the word of the Buddha. It would lead to nihilism.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Paul Davy » Fri May 21, 2010 4:23 am

Greetings,

I agree with Ben and Thomas.

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Metta,
Retro. :)
What is the final conviction that comes when radical attention is razor-edge sharp? That the object of the mind is mind-made (manomaya). (Ven. Ñāṇananda)

Having understood name-and-form, which is a product of prolificity,
And which is the root of all malady within and without,
He is released from bondage to the root of all maladies,
That Such-like-one is truly known as 'the one who has understood'.
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Re: Life Sux

Postby Goofaholix » Fri May 21, 2010 4:31 am

The Buddha didn't teach that life sux, however that we create suffering for ourselves and others through our attitude.

So you could say perhaps that there is suffering because our attitude sux, the Buddha's teaching is mostly about changing our attitude.
"Right effort is effort with wisdom. Because where there is wisdom, there is interest. The desire to know something is wisdom at work. Being mindful is not difficult. But it’s difficult to be continuously aware. For that you need right effort. But it does not require a great deal of energy. It’s relaxed perseverance in reminding yourself to be aware. When you are aware, wisdom unfolds naturally, and there is still more interest." - Sayadaw U Tejaniya

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Anicca » Fri May 21, 2010 4:40 am

Tree wrote:So does Life Suck?

The Big B's Four Realities ala 2010:
1) Sucking exists.
2) Sucking has a start.
3) Sucking has an end.
4) There is a path to the ending of sucking.

So - It doesn't have to - depends on your kamma and how you live it.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Goofaholix » Fri May 21, 2010 4:41 am

Anicca wrote:4) There is a path to the ending of sucking.


A new set of false teeth!
"Right effort is effort with wisdom. Because where there is wisdom, there is interest. The desire to know something is wisdom at work. Being mindful is not difficult. But it’s difficult to be continuously aware. For that you need right effort. But it does not require a great deal of energy. It’s relaxed perseverance in reminding yourself to be aware. When you are aware, wisdom unfolds naturally, and there is still more interest." - Sayadaw U Tejaniya

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Anicca » Fri May 21, 2010 4:44 am

Goofaholix wrote:
Anicca wrote:4) There is a path to the ending of sucking.


A new set of false teeth!

:toast:

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Dan74 » Fri May 21, 2010 5:16 am

Goofaholix wrote:
Anicca wrote:4) There is a path to the ending of sucking.


A new set of false teeth!


:clap:
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Re: Life Sux

Postby Wind » Fri May 21, 2010 5:53 am

Goofaholix wrote:The Buddha didn't teach that life sux, however that we create suffering for ourselves and others through our attitude.


Actually it's through our craving. And since birth is dukkha, life sux is not that off in my opinion.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby cooran » Fri May 21, 2010 6:37 am

Hello Tree, all,

The Buddha never taught that "Life is suffering".

He taught that "There is suffering".

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Ben » Fri May 21, 2010 6:41 am

Thank you Chris for pointing out that very important distinction.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Re: Life Sux

Postby Shonin » Fri May 21, 2010 9:35 am

Also 'unsatisfactoriness' or 'unreliability' may be a better translation than 'suffering'.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri May 21, 2010 9:45 am

Shonin wrote:Also 'unsatisfactoriness' or 'unreliability' may be a better translation than 'suffering'.

Or maybe not.
Better to internalise the meaning of Dukkha, as it appears in the context of the Suttas imo.
Just as we all have with "Kamma" or " Metta".
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Shonin » Fri May 21, 2010 9:56 am

Sanghamitta wrote:
Shonin wrote:Also 'unsatisfactoriness' or 'unreliability' may be a better translation than 'suffering'.

Or maybe not.
Better to internalise the meaning of Dukkha, as it appears in the context of the Suttas imo.
Just as we all have with "Kamma" or " Metta".


It was from studying suttas and commentaries on suttas that I arrived at this provisional understanding. Dukkha seems to have a range of meanings which don't always correspond exactly to our concept of 'suffering'.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri May 21, 2010 10:06 am

" Dukkha" " Kamma" "Metta " along with a number of key Pali terms have no equivilant one word translation in any modern language. Hence the need in my view to internalise them.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Shonin » Fri May 21, 2010 10:18 am

I'm with you. Agreed.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri May 21, 2010 10:20 am

:anjali:
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby altar » Fri May 21, 2010 11:50 am

The Buddha didn't just teach that birth was suffering. He taught that "the all" was suffering, "the world" was, the five khandas subjected to clinging. It's clear, I think, that "life is not without suffering," except for one well gone, who's just left with physical pain as the occasions arise.
Not all life is the same, so some might have more suckiness than others. But does it all suck at the bottom of it? Wherever there is clinging, there is suffing. So if there is clinging to life, there is suffing.
I think it's said that no existence, no state of being, is truly desireable. Even a happy life might be undesireable. Certainly preferable to an unhappy life (all other things being equal).
By the way, retro, a picture of a monk smiling, while maybe a nice photo, isn't really a serious kind of argument. We could contemplate that those very teeth may one day be in a garbage bin somewhere, who knows, to say nothing of the skin and internal organs.

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Re: Life Sux

Postby Mafi » Wed May 26, 2010 1:06 pm

Life is life; everything that happens in life and whether we think it sucks or is great is just a perception isn't it? What others think sucks others may enjoy, which once again goes back to mental conditioning.

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