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Chanting

Postby clw_uk » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:15 pm

Does one have to chant in pali, can you chant in english?

Reason I ask is that I understand the chants more when I say them in english than in pali.
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Re: Chanting

Postby appicchato » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:14 am

Hi clw,

Not a problem at all...no, and yes... :smile:

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Re: Chanting

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:14 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Chanting

Postby pink_trike » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:24 am

Understanding is the key, not verbal rotation.
Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: Chanting

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:48 pm

The Buddha did not believe in the notion of an ‘original,’ ‘pure’ or ‘sacred’ language as is clear from his exhortation that we could and should learn the Dhamma ‘each in your own language’ (Vin.II,139). He also stated that when teaching the Dhamma he would always adopt the language of his audience in order to be able to better communicate with them (D.II,109).
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Re: Chanting

Postby clw_uk » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:50 pm

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Re: Chanting

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Re: Chanting

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:29 am

eventually found the chanting book I remembered above
http://www.forestsangha.org/Books/Chanting.pdf

it has indicators for tone in both english and pali chanting


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Chanting

Postby clw_uk » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:36 am

Thank you for that Manapa thats just what ive been looking for :thumbsup:

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Re: Chanting

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:56 am

As others have indicated, chanting in English is fine. If you want to do chanting in English or Pali/English combinations you might listen to some of the chants at Abhayagiri http://www.abhayagiri.org/index.php/mai ... wnload/C20 which are rendered in sort of English Church Chanting style.

However, I see some advantages in practising chants in Pali (while following English translation):
1. You learn some of the Pali terms and how to pronounce them.
2. You can chant with non-English speakers. Doesn't matter if they are Thai or Chinese or whatever.
3. Sometimes the available English translations sound a little silly, which can be distracting.
4. Some chants sound incredibly inspiring in Pali because they have been composed to make use of the rhythm of the particular words.

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Re: Chanting

Postby clw_uk » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:58 am

Thanks for the link and the advice mike :smile:

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