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AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

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AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:02 am

Greetings,

I'd just like to share this excellent sutta, based on the six recollections, which can be very beneficial to practice.

AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

Have you used any of the recollections outlined here? Have they been beneficial?

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:10 am

Greetings venerable,

Do you think it would be reasonable to summarise it as an "each fares according to their deeds" kind of sentiment?

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:23 am

I have recollected the Buddha, Dhamma, Sangha, My own Qualities, but not that of Devas well at least not specifically, more of the BrahmaViharas as a recolection!


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Postby Ben » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:51 am

Hi Retro

From time to time I recollect the qualities of triple gem.
From experience it has had quite an effect on attitude and motivation.
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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Postby rowyourboat » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:09 pm

I suspect these recollections are most useful for stream entrants! There is no problems in others doing these, ofcourse. Mahanama was a stream entrant. Steam entrants will have unshakeble faith in the buddha, dhamma ,sangha and will know what each of those words describing the dhamma and sangha mean from their own experience. Their virtues will be strong so they will be able to recollect these effectively and gain happiness from them. THey also are said to have the five faculties- faith, energy, mindfulness, concentration, insight, which is mentioned in this sutta. I believe these recollections are a way forward for lay stream entrant to progress further.

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Postby kc2dpt » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:34 pm

I have used recollection of the Buddha a number of times. I find it helps calm the mind.

I wonder the purpose of the recollection of devas... maybe it is to give assurance that even if arahant is not attained then rebirth in the upper realms is still a nice result of practice?
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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Postby kc2dpt » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:16 pm

It just doesn't (yet?) make sense to me.

"At any time when a disciple of the noble ones is recollecting the conviction, virtue, learning, generosity, and discernment found both in himself and the devas..."

From the previous two recollections we see that recalling one's own virtue and generosity leads to concentration. So why recollect the devas at all? There must be some value in comparing these qualities to devas'.
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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Postby Prasadachitta » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:59 pm

Hi all,

Contemplations essentially the same as these often spontaneously occur to me. If I am well absorbed in mediation when this occurs I can be struck with very intense feelings of devotion for the Three Jewels. This Sutta actually seems to illustrate what feels like the very heart of my practice. I used to think that I was going to experience some kind of understanding which trumped all other understanding. Although I dont necessarily write off that possibility I have recently started leaning more to the idea that its less a matter of "AHAA!!" and more a matter of "SHRADDHAA!!".


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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Postby Individual » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:46 am

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Postby rowyourboat » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:05 am

'discernment found both in himself and the devas'

even more interesting: now assuming this was said to a stream entrant this would make sense. The path to becoming a deva is the development of saddha, sila, suta, caga, panna (faith, virtue, knowledge, generosity and insight). These are abundant in a stream entrant. Also if a stream entrant is born in the deva world he will go on to become enlightened in that life. So for a lay person who hasnt renounced this is a perfect path.
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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Postby Rui Sousa » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:20 pm

I find these recollections very beneficial.

Recollecting the qualities of the Devas, and the actions that led to their birth on that plane of existence, gives me great confidence on the triple gem.

It also gives me a different perspective of what is experienced.
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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

Postby cooran » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:48 pm

Hello all,

There was a side discussion at a Retreat I attended late last year with Patrick Kearney. It concerned cetana (intention) and kusala and akusala cittas and vipaka. I asked a question citing my automatic monthly donations to a number of charitable foundations and dhamma centres. I was consciously aware on first implementing the donations and instructing the Bank to make them monthly - but aside from that, have not really thought of them since, except when getting the occasional email about activities the donations support.

It was suggested that I use the Recollections daily - even have a bank statement handy, so I was consciously aware of the dana I was performing. I understand the accumulations of wholesome and unwholesome cittas .... but, I have to say when I do it, it feels a little unusual .... having been brought up in a Society where you donate anonymously and don't 'brag'.

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Re: AN 11.13: Mahanama Sutta (six recollections)

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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