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Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby alan » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:09 am

He makes perfect sense to me.

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby alan » Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:41 am

Don't mean to turn your pants on fire, tilt. Buddhaghosa was certainly a smart guy, no one denies that. I just wonder if we need to read him now. Visuddhimaga has been a path of dry bones for me. And I have not read or heard anyone who can make it come alive.

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby legolas » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:36 am

Thanks Tilt,

It made good listening and now good reading.

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Postby retrofuturist » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:12 am

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby legolas » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:43 am

Tilt wrote......

"Unquestionably the Visuddhimagga, Mahasi Sayadaw and any number of approaches are open to justified criticism, and this certainly includes the sutta-only approach"

Those pesky Suttas - always getting in the way of real Buddhism.

Perhaps Bhante Vimalaramsi received his knowledge of Buddhaghosa through an unbroken lineage of teachers whose teachings were lost to the rest of the world - only preserved in an unbroken lineage maintained in the American mid-west and whose lineage made itself known at the back end of the 19th century. Or perhaps he received the teachings from a lineage that suddenly appeared in the early 20th century. Who knows.

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby kirk5a » Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:32 pm

Thanks for taking a closer look at that Tilt. I'm more interested in his interpretation of the jhanas than anything. I take that to be his primary point in criticising Buddhaghosa - that one-pointed concentration to the level of total "absorption" is not what the jhanas are about. What do you think about that point?
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby adeh » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:08 pm

It's interesting to take into account that Bhante Vimalaramsi's Abhidhamma teacher-and preceptor I think, but don't quote me on that-was the Ven. Sayadaw Silananda, a well known Bhikkhu who had a problem with his blood pressure and only recently passed away in 2005. The centre of his teaching was actually the Visuddhimagga, and he gave many courses and discourses based on the same. I have been told that every time Ven. Vimalaramsi turned up and started explaining his theories about Buddhaghosa, the Venerable Sayadaws blood pressure went through the roof.
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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby adeh » Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:26 pm

The antagonism towards the Visuddhimagga that Tilt is talking about may have something to do with a general antagonism that I was surprised to find out that many Sri Lankan Buddhists and a few Bhikkhus feel towards Buddhaghosa...the story goes that after he translated the commentaries from Sinhalese into Pali he destroyed the Sinhalese originals, which were a great source of national pride for Sinhalese Buddhists back then and apparently something that is still resented by nationalist Sinhalese Buddhists now...

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby adeh » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:51 pm

I doubt it...

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Re: Ven. Vimalaramsi on the Abhidhamma & the Visuddhi Magga

Postby pulga » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:08 pm

Sinhala Buddhism is founded upon Buddhaghosa and his commentaries. It may be the case that there are Westernized Sinhalese who dismiss him, but for the most part the Sinhalese take pride in having preserved his writings.

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