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What does Ajahn Brahm really mean? Did the Buddha say this?

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What does Ajahn Brahm really mean? Did the Buddha say this?

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Re: What does Ajahn Brahm really mean? Did the Buddha say this?

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:28 pm

I don't see any problem with that.

The art of letting go indeed can bring us even to the highest samadhi level - Jhana 4.

But please note, samadhi only bring you to be born in god realm.

There is no difference between Buddhist practise and Hindu yogi practitioner until this level.

According to Hindu tradition, this is the highest of the highest goal and you have been free from samsara.

But not to Buddhist teaching.

When we reach that samadhi state, we really have the best of the best naked or bare awareness.

We need to utilize that state to do a true vipassana to see and experience directly the no identity or no self of this reality.

By realizing there is no identity or no self in this samsara, it is only at this point onwards that the true detachment, the true stopping of craving, the true stopping of grasping is really burn out and will never ever arise again. Because in that state you realize there is no base actually for you to grasp both this body and the phenomena.

Freeing from samsara is then possible.
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I do not exist neither non-exist.
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Re: What does Ajahn Brahm really mean? Did the Buddha say this?

Postby Jaidyn » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:32 pm

Without reading your post too carefully, I dare to say I agree with you, BUT my post is about that Brahms reference to SN seems to be incorrect. I want to know the correct reference.

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Re: What does Ajahn Brahm really mean? Did the Buddha say this?

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Re: What does Ajahn Brahm really mean? Did the Buddha say this?

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:38 pm

I read both of his book, this one and the art of disappearing.

We need to know that what he quoted is the general idea or essence from that SN.

We cannot compare every word vs every word.

We need to compare the essence and the essence.

For myself, I am actually agree with him.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: What does Ajahn Brahm really mean? Did the Buddha say this?

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:47 pm

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: What does Ajahn Brahm really mean? Did the Buddha say this?

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Re: What does Ajahn Brahm really mean? Did the Buddha say this?

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Re: What does Ajahn Brahm really mean? Did the Buddha say this?

Postby DarwidHalim » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:19 am

If we ask Hindu practitioners, they know that things are impermanent. Their talk about it is available quite wide in YOutube. They know things are coming and going. When they meditate, they meditate single pointedly. They use this knowledge coming and going to stabilize their meditation as well. In this case, they have a little bit of vipassana according to Buddhist perspective, but this vipassana is a very very course vipassana. They don't call it vipassana, because this is Buddhist term as shown by Ajahn Bhram.

The irony is although they know things are impermanent, they Still believe in God as a creator.

In this sense, their meditation fail to see the non existence of God as a creator. The question then is your ability simply knowing things are coming and going is the actual vipassana? How can your end result is completely different with Buddhism?

Buddhism is different, the vipassana is so deep, until the practitioner can see through directly that because things are impermanent, we cannot have an identity. The current identity is wipe out by the next new identity. In other words, we cannot have identity. So God as a creator, who exists as an identity free from causes and condition, is proven cannot exist at all.

This is vipassana. They can see the true face of whatever things appear to them as what it is, without being spoilt by their concepts.

We cannot do a vipassana without Samantha. This is sure.

But we can do Samantha without vipassana? If this is not possible, how can Hindu practitioners keep believing God as a creator? Is their ability to calm their meditation through a bit of wisdom knowing impermanent fulfilled the criteria to be called Vipassana? If we said they have a vipassana, then how can they attach to their meditation sensation? What kind of vipassana you are doing? Is that really vipassana?

May be yes, may be no. I think the disputes are there, depending on how we define that Buddhist jargon.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: What does Ajahn Brahm really mean? Did the Buddha say this?

Postby alan » Fri Dec 30, 2011 3:35 am

Jaidyn,
You can't believe everything you read from Ajahn Brahm. He likes to tell stories.

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