YOU CANNOT POST. OUR WEB HOSTING COMPANY DECIDED TO MOVE THE SERVER TO ANOTHER LOCATION. IN THE MEANTIME, YOU CAN VIEW THIS VERSION WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW POSTING AND WILL NOT SAVE ANYTHING YOU DO ONCE THE OTHER SERVER GOES ONLINE.

The Buddha's Omniscience. - Dhamma Wheel

The Buddha's Omniscience.

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
User avatar
Jason
Posts: 474
Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:09 am
Location: Earth
Contact:

The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Jason » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:27 am

"Sabbe dhamma nalam abhinivesaya" ().

(Buddhist-related blog)
(non-Buddhist related blog)

User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
Posts: 17855
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:56 am

Greetings Elohim,

You won't get any arguments from me. As far as I'm concerned SN 54.9 definitely rules out full omniscience.

My possibly simplistic take is that the Buddha 'knew everything' by knowing sunnata, the inherent emptiness of all things. He knew everything conditioned as sunna, anatta, anicca etc. and he knew the unconditioned as nibbana. What else is there to know?

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

User avatar
Dhammanando
Posts: 3521
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:44 pm
Location: Huai Bong, Lamphun

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Dhammanando » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:34 am


User avatar
Cittasanto
Posts: 6524
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:31 pm
Location: Ellan Vannin
Contact:

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:39 am

I don't think the Omniscience of the Buddha is asserted anywhere!
I think the Buddha with the right information would understand things correctly but he would have to have some information to work from!


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

User avatar
Dhammanando
Posts: 3521
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:44 pm
Location: Huai Bong, Lamphun

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Dhammanando » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:47 am


User avatar
tiltbillings
Posts: 23012
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:23 am


User avatar
Will
Posts: 709
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:26 pm

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Will » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:50 pm

While poking around at Access to Insight, DN 32 uses this term "Kusalena" for Buddha's omniscience. Does it help clarify the meaning any?
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

User avatar
Jason
Posts: 474
Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:09 am
Location: Earth
Contact:

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Jason » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:20 pm

"Sabbe dhamma nalam abhinivesaya" ().

(Buddhist-related blog)
(non-Buddhist related blog)

User avatar
BubbaBuddhist
Posts: 640
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:55 am
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Contact:

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:28 pm

It occurs to me that a being capable of total recall of all his previous existences and having access to all possible planes of existences would be indistinguishable from omniscient. Eh?

j
Author of Redneck Buddhism: or Will You Reincarnate as Your Own Cousin?

User avatar
Dhammanando
Posts: 3521
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:44 pm
Location: Huai Bong, Lamphun

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Dhammanando » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:43 pm


User avatar
Jason
Posts: 474
Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:09 am
Location: Earth
Contact:

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Jason » Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:55 pm

"Sabbe dhamma nalam abhinivesaya" ().

(Buddhist-related blog)
(non-Buddhist related blog)

User avatar
Cittasanto
Posts: 6524
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:31 pm
Location: Ellan Vannin
Contact:

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:46 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

User avatar
Dhammanando
Posts: 3521
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:44 pm
Location: Huai Bong, Lamphun

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Dhammanando » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:16 am


User avatar
Dhammanando
Posts: 3521
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:44 pm
Location: Huai Bong, Lamphun

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Dhammanando » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:33 am


User avatar
robertk
Posts: 2407
Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:08 am

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby robertk » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:55 am


User avatar
Jason
Posts: 474
Joined: Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:09 am
Location: Earth
Contact:

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Jason » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:09 am

"Sabbe dhamma nalam abhinivesaya" ().

(Buddhist-related blog)
(non-Buddhist related blog)

User avatar
Cittasanto
Posts: 6524
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:31 pm
Location: Ellan Vannin
Contact:

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:16 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

User avatar
Dhammanando
Posts: 3521
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:44 pm
Location: Huai Bong, Lamphun

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Dhammanando » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:39 am


User avatar
Dhammanando
Posts: 3521
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:44 pm
Location: Huai Bong, Lamphun

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Dhammanando » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:47 am


User avatar
Will
Posts: 709
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:26 pm

Re: The Buddha's Omniscience.

Postby Will » Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:21 pm

I prefer to think of "all-knowing" as being instantaneous, not simultaneous. The latter would give a very cluttered mind, even for a buddha. All he has to do is turn his attention to a subject or area and he will fully understand, instantly.
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25


Return to “Connections to Other Paths”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests

Google Saffron, Theravada Search Engine