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Path to Buddhahood

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby vinasp » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:07 am

Hi Dmytro,

Quote:"Buddha attained three knowledges in his Samma-sambodhi, while Arahants attain just one."
[in ref to MN 36]

In my opinion those three knowledges are very suspect. How can we take the first two
seriously, when Gotama has not yet broken through to the four noble truths, and not
yet seen the path which eliminates the asava's? He is still a puthujjana at that point.
Only the third knowledge removes ignorance.

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

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I'm sorry that i enter is your discussion, but every time that is hear 'buddha omnicience' i feel that in the word 'buddha' you putt an atta. Omnicience of The Buddha have no atta.
The Buddha is that who knows, The Buddha nature is omnicient, like a canvas is omncient of picture.
But one Buddha is not omnicient. Why? Cause Samsara wahe no begining and no end, it's impossible for the one who is limitated by his rupa to be omnicient of whoole samsara.
After parinibbana, perharps, before - not.

It's possible to know the Ground and how any building is constructed on it, but it's impossible to know all that is constructed on the ground. Why? because the Ground have no limit.

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby vinasp » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:36 am

Hi everyone,

The Buddhist Dictionary (Nyanatiloka) entry for 'abhinna' (p.2) says that five of
the six are mundane (lokiya), only the last one is supramundane (lokuttara).

The term 'lokiya' indicates that they can be attained by ordinary men (puthujjano),
non-buddhist ascetics frequently claimed such powers.

Is this stated clearly anywhere in the five Nikaya's?

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby vinasp » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:40 am

Hi everyone,

It seems that Maurice Walshe was also of the opinion that the first five higher
knowledges are mundane. See his note 136 to the Samannaphala Sutta, [Walshe 1987, p.547]

136."All the preceding 'fruits' have led up to this, which as RD points out, is
exclusively Buddhist..." - [Walshe analyses the sequence into 13 stages.]

Stage 12."The five mundane forms of 'higher knowledge' (abhinna), (verses 87-96)."
Stage 13."The realization of the Four Noble Truths, the destruction of the corruptions
(= the sixth, supramundane, abhinna), and the attainment of Arahantship (verses 97-98)."

That these first five knowledges are mundane is very clear in the Samannaphala Sutta
sequence (DN 2).

"With his mind thus concentrated, purified, and bright, unblemished, free from defects, pliant, malleable, steady, and attained to imperturbability, the monk directs and inclines it to the knowledge of the ending of the mental fermentations. He discerns, as it has come to be, that 'This is stress... This is the origination of stress... This is the cessation of stress... This is the way leading to the cessation of stress... These are mental fermentations... This is the origination of fermentations... This is the cessation of fermentations... This is the way leading to the cessation of fermentations.' His heart, thus knowing, thus seeing, is released from the fermentation of sensuality, the fermentation of becoming, the fermentation of ignorance. With release, there is the knowledge, 'Released.' He discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'"

He discerns 'this is the way leading to the cessation of stress ...', this means that
he sees the noble eightfold path, enters it, and by developing it, he attains awakening.

So the five previous 'higher knowledges' were attained while the bhikkhu was still an
ordinary man.

Regards, Vincent.

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

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50-70 more not bad in no rush

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